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#76 2021-01-10 11:10:13

Geofalke
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Re: Potlatch: what is the status with Flash / Adobe Air?

Jan Olieslagers wrote:

Still, I had been led to believe that his here PL3 would be a full complete alternative to PL2 - it is not. And I did support the funding, and I now regret having done so, on the grounds of (to say the least) incomplete information.

It's still better to have Potlatch 3 than no such software at all. For those working on Windows-systems (like me) it is a good alternative to e. g. JOSM and worth every Cent of the funding. Of course I hope PL3 will still see some improvements and hopefully for Linux systems too.

But don't take PL3 hostage in the holy war of Linux vs. Windows.

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#77 2021-01-10 11:15:37

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Re: Potlatch: what is the status with Flash / Adobe Air?

Today I wanted to make my last edit with Potlatch 2 but my browser already responds:

Your default OpenStreetMap editor is set as Potlatch. Because Adobe Flash Player has been withdrawn, Potlatch is no longer available to use in a web browser.

You can still use Potlatch by downloading the desktop application for Mac and Windows. https://www.systemed.net/potlatch/

Alternatively, you can set your default editor to iD, which runs in your web browser as Potlatch formerly did. Change your user settings here.

I am really happy to have the You can still use Potlatch possibility!

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#78 2021-01-10 17:38:05

Jan Olieslagers
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Re: Potlatch: what is the status with Flash / Adobe Air?

don't take PL3 hostage in the holy war of Linux vs. Windows.

That war has long ceased to be "holy" smile Even 15 years ago, at the place I then worked, it was rather a bit of folklore, to spark good-humoured joking between teams who were doomed to collaborate. Today there remains scarcely any trace of it, at least where I work.

I am really happy to have the You can still use Potlatch possibility!

And I am unhappy because - even if I receive the same message - I cannot. And even more unhappy because I was led to believe that I would.

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#79 2021-01-11 19:47:48

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Re: Potlatch: what is the status with Flash / Adobe Air?

I am really happy to have the You can still use Potlatch possibility! And I am unhappy because - even if I receive the same message - I cannot. And even more unhappy because I was led to believe that I would.

Too bad, I see your situation. Why isn't it possible to put Potlatch on the same browser-based core like ID, just with the features and behaviour of Potlatch?

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#80 2021-01-11 21:08:05

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Re: Potlatch: what is the status with Flash / Adobe Air?

Because Potlatch is written in ActionScript and uses the Flash drawing APIs. These are unfortunately very different from JavaScript and the canvas/SVG drawing APIs, which are what browsers give you. Porting Potlatch to JavaScript+SVG would probably be about two months' full-time work even for someone who already knows the Potlatch internals well (which is three or four people in the entire world smile ).

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#81 2021-01-12 10:57:54

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Re: Potlatch: what is the status with Flash / Adobe Air?

Native app offers no tangible benefits vs. a wine based solution. It is too complex to set up for the majority of users, and only comes with inferior performance and stability. My recommendation is to use wine instead.

Details:
* https://github.com/systemed/potlatch3/i … -758539981
* https://github.com/systemed/potlatch3/issues/2

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#82 2021-01-12 12:59:36

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Re: Potlatch: what is the status with Flash / Adobe Air?

mmd wrote:

My recommendation is to use wine instead.

I'd agree with that.  If time permits I'll create an OSM diary entry that describes exactly what to do to get it working on a "vanilla" Ubuntu 18.04 or 20.04 system.

What would also be useful would be to have more information from anyone for whom that isn't an option to understand why - for example Jan above has said "I cannot", but we don't know the actual issue there that prevents Wine being used in that example - is there some sort of software installation restriction, or does some error occur, or something else?

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#83 2021-01-14 18:50:42

Jan Olieslagers
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Re: Potlatch: what is the status with Flash / Adobe Air?

I cannot use PL3 natively because it won't work on Linux (which is not Richard's fault, of course).
I won't use PL3 through Wine because emulators are workarounds, not solutions.
All this could be read higher up in the thread.

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#84 2021-01-14 22:44:23

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Re: Potlatch: what is the status with Flash / Adobe Air?

It seems there are some misconceptions what wine really is all about. Let's take a look at their project page:

https://www.winehq.org/ wrote:

Wine (originally an acronym for "Wine Is Not an Emulator") is a compatibility layer capable of running Windows applications on several POSIX-compliant operating systems, such as Linux, macOS, & BSD. Instead of simulating internal Windows logic like a virtual machine or emulator, Wine translates Windows API calls into POSIX calls on-the-fly, eliminating the performance and memory penalties of other methods and allowing you to cleanly integrate Windows applications into your desktop.

(emphasis mine)

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