Standard carto not updating?

How can that be done?

how-to-trigger-a-repaint-for-a-specific-osm-map-tile:
https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/1049/how-to-trigger-a-repaint-for-a-specific-osm-map-tile

Think the right-click action has been overridden on openstreetmap.org to give a context menu since those instructions.

The commands will vary between browsers, for me on Firefox (on Linux), I can view the map at the required location and zoom level, then select from the browser menu: Tools-Page Info.

In the box that appears, switch to the Media tab, and scroll through the entries with type=Image of the form https://S.tile.openstreetmap.org/Z/X/Y.png (where S is one of the tile servers a,b or c, Z is the zoom level, X+Y are position indexes.

Once you have a tile that you know is out of date, right-click + Copy the URL, paste into a new tab on your browser and press enter if required. You should see the single tile with this URL. Now edit the URL to add “/dirty” on the end, no spaces or quotes so that it ends .png/dirty and press enter. The screen display should change to show the message “Tile submitted for rendering”. You can close this tab, and the Page Info panel. Wait a bit and refresh the map - noting this only applies to the single zoom level tile you selected.

Yep, several tiles I’ve editted days ago are still not rendering the updates (and it’s not a cache issue - I’ve used multiple devices and also cleared cache).

Edit: UK

The /dirty trick - exactly as described in #15 - hasn’t worked for me in a while. I’ve even tried 3x for a., b., and c.tile.etc/dirty, then wait, then force a reload. Nope. Guess it just takes patience.

Lately I’m surprised to see the cycle map updating before the standard carto. Never thought I’d see that. :slight_smile:

@Cebderby, I found your post very interesting.
I am on a Windows machine. I have Chrome and Edge installed. After reading your post, I installed FF.
For the life of me, I cannot find a “Tools” menu!
I scoured the the “three bars” menu, with no luck.
Wonder if you, or someone else, would know how to get tile info on a Windows machine.
Thank you in advance, Eric

In Firefox click the hamburger menu in the upper right corner,
select Customize… (paintbrush),
check the box ‘Title bar’ in the lower left corner.
Now you have the Title Bar in the uppermost row, among which is ‘Tools’
Hope this helps you?

Can’t find “Tools”? No worries.

Since you’ve installed FireFox… On the OSM map page in FF, right-click a blank part of the page, eg left of “GPS Traces”. From that menu, select View Page Info.

Then follow instructions in #15. But as I’ve noted, it may not produce results. Good luck.

@EricJRW, try right-click in the top area of the browser window eg in the blank space alongside the tab(s) and ‘+’. On that right-click menu, you may have the option to enable “Menu Bar”, which contains the ‘traditional’ menu items File,Edit,View,History,Bookmarks,Tools,Help.

Normally this /dirty trick does little as slow updates are more usually the re-render process getting behind on one or more of the a. b. or c. tile servers, so the tiles are already marked and in a backlog queue. In conjunction with the corresponding browser caches this means there are 6 sources each tile (at each zoom) can come from, which can result in the patchy and or apparently backwards updating sometimes experienced. Only times I’ve used it normally are to encourage an update of an (normally infrequent) zoom 13 tile eg if a big road has been opened or a large construction site added or similar.

Thank you all!
Tried @BikePC 's idea. Didn’t work.
Got to Viajero Perdido, and that worked…
Which is also what @Cebderby suggested!

So now I know how to find tiles! Yay!

Going to try to force an update…

But thank you all.

Learning something new is such fun!

Thank you. Going to try

I use http://openstreetmap.gryph.de/bigmap.html to display the map. Each tile is then directly accessible (right click - view image in Firefox). And then I just append “/dirty”.

May be happening again at the moment.

Pretty sure something is wrong. This changeset which was made 2 days ago is only showing up at zoom level 13.

A request to re-render also doesn’t seem to solve the issue. For instance, the status of this tile is:

But it doesn’t show the current situation (modified yesterday).

I’m having some success marking tiles as dirty via HTTP, but that’s not a scalable solution. It does look like changes aren’t being picked up for some days now.

Hi all,
Just want to add that I am also experiencing the same problems, and have been for a few weeks now.
This is a major problem, as I cannot “check” my edits to make sure everything is alright, and has prevented me from being able to do any editing beyond very small things.

This website:

http://tools.geofabrik.de/map/#2/43.0000/7.0000&type=Geofabrik_Standard&grid=1

Is a good one for tile dirtying. To dirty tiles click the + and turn off the two overlay layers,
then simply right click, and open image in new tab then add /dirty to the url (and /status to view the status).
(e.g.: https://b.tile.openstreetmap.org/2/2/1.png/dirty)).

(Also https://www.informationfreeway.org/unfortunately no search function, but you can use permalink to make it easier to navigate).

The manual dirtying has not been working for me given that the server seems to be behind on rendering.
(Note also: there used to be a greasemonkey script for Firefox (which stopped working after a Firefox update), there might be something similar somewhere for tile dirtying).

These are good webpages to see how the server is tracking.
https://munin.openstreetmap.org/problems.html
https://munin.openstreetmap.org/renderd-month.html
https://munin.openstreetmap.org/openstreetmap.org/render.openstreetmap.org/renderd_processed.html

Is there not a non-OSM-hosted server anywhere (perhaps more local to you) that doesn’t have dozens of taxi apps trying to freeload off it as well (as the tiles at osm.org have)? The tiles at openstreetmap.de are usually a good bet. Also what about the other layers at osm.org - I know that the two Thunderforest layers don’t update instantaneously, but what about the other two?

Alternatively, (assuming you’re in Australia - apologies if I’m confusing you with someone else) a tile server to handle all of Asutralia + Oceania is well within “desktop PC” range as suggested by the data size at http://download.geofabrik.de/ . Various options are available (see https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/), and enabling automatic updates is pretty easy too - see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:SomeoneElse/Ubuntu_1804_tileserver_load#Updating_your_database_as_people_edit_OpenStreetMap among others.

I also experience heavy lags in refreshing standard layer, you should probably report it here:

https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations

This was dealt with yesterday - see https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/442.

https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/440