Changesets reverts

Highway 1 is now a designated motorway only west of Latrun, after that it is not (end-of-motorway signs and 90 instead of 110)…

I didn’t drive there recently, but this 2017 article claims that after the new lanes were opened, the permitted speed was raised:
https://news.walla.co.il/item/3070320

Again though, I ask what other mapping and non-mapping sources are considered “good enough”; especially with the understanding that we don’t usually have up to date street cam footage of every section of road, and designations / maximum speeds change faster than the rate at which we get such footage.

Initial mapping can be done with all kinds of free sources. Mapa an MAPI are NOT free sources. Moreover, they are usually less updated than OSM.

Everyone can use the OpenStreetCam app for Android and iOS to upload updated street pictures.

Maxmimal speed and start/end freeway signs are not relevant for road classification. Only the color of the road signs.

IMO when there is question, or a dispute, the “Map what’s on the ground” rule should be used. Take a visit or plan a trip, if needed. Otherwise, we are risking “edit wars”.

This Shoresh interchange sign, taken in Aug-2018 is green. Similarly for Kiryat Ye’arim. These “on the ground” pictures were taken more than a year after the Walla News article. Like in other areas and ministries, the MOT’s announcements on the news should not be taken too seriously.

I drive there daily, it’s positive that from Anava east it is 90 and no freeway signs.

I personally verified the following picture two days ago, arriving at Sha’ar HaGay from the South.

Road 1 is a “blue” motorway from Sha’ar HaGay towards Tel Aviv and a “red” trunk from Sha’ar HaGay towards Jerusalem.

I’ve updated the Anava to Sha’ar Hagay section of Road 1 accordingly in changeset 71297730.

Please, don’t!. There is no Motorway signs, so speed is 90 there!!! The color of overhead information does not define the speed limit!

@Sanniu,

We agree that the same road can have different speed limits and different colors and they do not always match.

After several long discussions in this forum, the community agreed to use the road sign color as the only source for determining the “highway” tag, and documented this decision in the Wiki:

The speed limit signs are used for the “maxspeed” tag:

A “highway” sign - , which is a shorthand for max speed and road access restriction, can impact the “maxspeed” tag, but not the “highway=motorway” tag:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/72336130 marked Ayalon North as motorway once more. Should that be reverted?
Also he forgot to mark all links, but this is another problem…

Does anybody knows user ar58?
He is very active, but did some very strange changes.
For example: in 72924785 he replaced existing roundabout with a traffic light junction (I was there before and after and roundabout is still exists)
and in 72924232 and 73507547 he deleted few roads only to recreate them again.

Left him PM more then week ago - no answer. Comment on changeset - same.

Delete-recreate change is not too bad, but it kind of losses way history, which may be very useful sometimes.
What do you think?

yrtiniD and I have commented on the changeset. Unless the user responds with a proof of a change in the on-the-ground road signs from blue to red, I would recommend a revert.

Should we mention somewhere in wiki the status of that part of Ayalon? And may be add the link to the comments of disputed road segments?
I suppose the change war there mostly because of lack of knowledge of local consensus existsence.

We can setup monitoring of any major road changes and notify (for example to telegram channel). Osm really lacks some kind of pull request flow :frowning:

Reverted. Changeset 74056483

Hi

It seems to me that someone deleted some paths around https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/284972232
My OSM-search foo is bad :(, can anyone look for offending changeset?

Thanks

Potlatch 1 reckons that it was the deletion of this way: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/284971981/history .
(I’ll let someone local decide what to do about it!)

Ok, found changeset by valleyofdawn, commented on it. Thanks for the search!

User Vl-Sher created several changesets titled “Translation” that seem to have been made by a non-Hebrew speaker or an automated translation service.
For example, “גבי ימין נמצאים בערוצו של נחל ימין” was translated to “The upper right is on the channel of the right stream”
[For non-Hebrew readers, a proper translation would be “Yemin waterholes are located in Yemin stream”]

In a week’s time I’m planning to revert the following changesets:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/75302404
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/75320752
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/75335867

Please post here if you have any objections

way 809467090 was part of a hiking route and was deleted, probably by mistake, in changeset 87707762.

I would like some help reverting the deletion of this way, as my skills are not good enough :frowning:

Apparently, the deletion was not done in that changeset. I was able to revert the missing segment .

Thanks yrtimiD for your help!

Change https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/96959594 made very strange configuration of HaKalir/Harlap/HaAri junction (Netanya).
The new configuration look bogus. Can anyone local check it?