Proposed moderator for Greece forum

JayCBR, επέτρεψε με να σε αποκαλέσω φίλο, δεν έχουμε τίποτα να χωρίσουμε.

Λοιπόν φίλε μου, δεν δέχομαι να διαβάζω υπόνοιες από κανέναν για το πρόσωπό μου.

Αν ο hariskar έχει ενστάσεις για την πρόταση μου, να τις πει ευθέως και όχι με υπονοούμενα.

Αν ο άνθρωπος αυτός αρέσκεται σε θεωρίες συνωμοσίας και σκέπτεται το πως λειτουργούν οι άλλοι με βάση το πως λειτουργεί και αυτός, είναι δικό του θέμα, αλλά δεν είναι αποδεχτό.

Τέλος.

What??? Accusations about a person’s real life??? (without even knowing his real life)???
After this respond, i officially (and publicly) ask from admin kocio to BAN Map-Finder, and i believe i speak in the name of all Greek community.
And because we have democracy here, i ask to our community to please post if you agree with this.

PS. Besides the above, user mappas is a good mapper and he is doing a fine job until now, but he doesn’t want to participate in this situation. And i understand that.

Of course I agree to BAN Map-Finder. Almost all off his posts are off-topic, rude, sarcastic, ironic and childish. He has ruined this forum.

Αυτό θα απαντηθεί εδώ

Please BAN Map-Finder ASAP.

I do not wish to comment for fear of unwittingly destabilising the Greek community further.

I will say that I am doing my best to come to an agreement, I have already backed down on the name/ref tagging of road links, and I do not think it is wise to be trading accusations and insults without providing evidence of such activity on the map.

That is, just because User A is the latest editor of any object does not give User B an excuse to attack them for something that User C may have added a few versions back.

Lets resume:

harikar accused my that i am a cheater,
As wisely nikospag writes later… but, ooops, he does’t make any comment for this, but on my reply on this!!!

hariskar accused me that I will create accounts to vote me, HE ACCUSED ME THAT I AM CHEATER and nikospag accused that I accused hariskar for his real life?
Are we serious here???
when harikar sait it, i was a fact, when I replied it was an offense???
All people see 2 people that are trying to turn white to black.

BESIDE i never asked for BANNING on these 2 persons that periodically made BULLYING ON ME!
I should have done it and see who is the good guy here

@ika-chan! i checked most of those motorway links and you are the one who named them this way…anybody can see this in way’s history

changeset 70611653…15 days ago
Way History: 330548831 the name Έξοδος 50 appears 1st time in version #21, edited by you

@map-finder what hariskar said was not personal, he doesnt mention your name anywhere…your response says it all (κοινώς, τσίμπησες!)

Please stop irrelevant posts, There is an other very serious issue here.

JayCBR, do you agree to BAN Map-finder?

ika-chan!, do you agree to BAN Map-finder?

And i expect just a positive or negative answer, and not an analysis.
Just answer straight and clear.!!!

Hi, all!

It seems that there is more fundamental problem in the Greek community than just appointing forum moderators. It makes sense to me that people who agree to act as moderators tell if they want to take this role. For a start it would be good enough to have just one person supported (or just not distrusted) by everyone here. Currently it looks like JayCBR met with 1 vote against, but nikospag and mappas were not downvoted (correct me if I’m wrong), so I would ask if it’s OK for now to appoint them as moderators and if they agree?

The most of communities in the forum are rather small, so I don’t do a full process with counting votes, I feel that lack of opposition and at least some support is enough. It works for all the other subforums, so I don’t see the reason to make it harder here, especially when you want a tool for resolving practical problems.

We can resolve all the other conflicts later, probably in a separate thread.

Is it OK for you? Please stay as close to this subject as possible, short answers are enough to see if we can find consensus here.

Who is mappas? He is not active in the forum.

Θα τον μάθεις σύντομα!

so someone who has one vote from map-finder, has no participation in the forum, no contact with other editors, someone who didnt even say he wants to be moderator gets to be one?how is this fair??

it is my opinion too that map-finder is mostly responsible for this mess, every time we try and have a conversation, bad things happen…we still dont know his openstreetmap username and he does not care sharing it

i dont think i can work with him any more

I agree, someone who does not participate in the forum should not be a forum moderator.

I totally disagree with kocio.
First of all JayCBR was not down-voted. The user who down-voted him at first, changed his/her vote later with a newer post . All posts with votes are right here in this thread. You can count them

Second. There never was a “fundamental problem” in this community, that’s why we never needed a moderator (for many years). The problem appeared lately, and has a name: Map-Finder.

Third. About user mappas i have already answered in a previous post. He is a good mapper, but he is not a member of this forum, because he doesn’t want to be. That’s his choice and that is his right. And of course, someone who never participated in this forum can not be a forum moderator.

PS. And i wonder if Map-Finder even asked for a permission before mention mappas name in here!!! That’s another reason to ban this person.

Thanks for pointing out - I’m not following closely that heated discussion and now it seems to me that no proposed person (out of 4) has been downvoted. So their propositions still hold up (everybody can propose anything), but next question is if they want to be moderators? That’s the right moment to answer this - I believe at the moment all propositions are still void, because nobody agreed. And to vote against, if you feel this is not the right person for this role, whatever the reasons are (including not being active on the forum) - we’re not judging the mapping efforts, only if do you think this is the right person for this exact role.

Please, speak short but direct. I understand that for example call for a ban would be indirect veto against somebody being moderator, but I’m not gonna to solve puzzles. In my opinion it’s better to shortly repeat yourselves than let me find, guess and make mistakes. Really, please.

And yes, if there are ban calls, DWG call and accusation of ruining community, I consider it to be a fundamental problem. This tension might make the moderator void, at least for now. If you think this is the case, please also tell it directly.

So - please, respond all these questions:

  1. Who from the proposed people agree to be a moderator at all?
  2. Who do you think should not be moderator (for whatever reasons)?
  3. Do you think moderator election should be cancelled now, until ban calls etc are resolved?
  1. I would agree
  2. Map-Finder, because his bad behavior is the cause we are asking for a moderator
  3. No

Thanks for replying, but let me be clear - 1. is about proposed people agreeing (or not), not proposing anybody again, 2. it’s also against anyone proposed for moderator, not against anybody on Earth…

I corrected my post.

Hi again,

Since I have received personal message that moderator election should postponed, I hereby close this thread now, because not everybody agree that it is the right thing at the moment. We can go back to this later, of course.

And since some of you requested DWG help, I also hand over the process of dealing with community problems to them. I hope you will be able to find some suitable solution.