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Mateusz Konieczny

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popular names on shop=bakery - brands, common names or descriptive

Is any of names below an unwanted generic name (like amenity=restaurant name=Restaurant)?
Or a valid common name (like amenity=restaurant name=Bamboo), without an uniting brand?
Or a valid brand?

Backshop
Bäckerei Schmidt
Bäckerei Schneider
Büsch
Goeken backen
Hinnerbäcker
Nur Hier
Oebel
Schneider

I am asking as I want to improve https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggestion-index/ and I lack local knowledge for Germany. Data from this project are used for example by iD and Vespucci. Improving it may help mappers using this editors.

Last edited by Mateusz Konieczny (2019-05-02 22:35:50)

Prince Kassad

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Re: popular names on shop=bakery - brands, common names or descriptive

I think "Backshop" just means bakery, so it is not a name that should occur in OpenStreetMap.

geow

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Re: popular names on shop=bakery - brands, common names or descriptive

Is any of names below an unwanted generic name (like amenity=restaurant name=Restaurant)?

Luckily not

Or a valid common name (like amenity=restaurant name=Bamboo),

Nr. 2+3+5, "Bäckerei" means bakery

Or a valid brand?

AFAIK No!

The other names seem to be proper names of the shop owners/operators.

Backshop is "DEnglish" for Bäckerei and may be a valid name element only in conjunction with a proper name.

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Mateusz Konieczny

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Re: popular names on shop=bakery - brands, common names or descriptive

Backshop is "DEnglish" for Bäckerei and may be a valid name element only in conjunction with a proper name.

It is not common but there are cases like https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4908694234 where "Backshop" appears to be used as a descriptive name. See http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/IEe

geow

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Re: popular names on shop=bakery - brands, common names or descriptive

appears to be used as a descriptive name.

Agreed, so I wrote "may be a valid name element only in conjunction with a proper name."

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dieterdreist

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Re: popular names on shop=bakery - brands, common names or descriptive

These names can all occur, seems to be typical bakery names in Germany.

Wulf4096

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Re: popular names on shop=bakery - brands, common names or descriptive

"Nur Hier" is a Franchise (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchising) with lots of stores in Hamburg.
But I think "Nur Hier" is still the name visible to their customers.

Mateusz Konieczny

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Re: popular names on shop=bakery - brands, common names or descriptive

As the first step Backshop was removed from list of potentially valid names as a generic name (despite its popularity) - thanks for a help! (this is not something that is directly visible to mappers using iD or Vespucci but helps in making the index better)

Commit is in https://github.com/osmlab/name-suggesti … 0ce9e8913a

Nur Hier looks like a brand ( https://nur-hier.de/ ), I am unsure about Bäckerei Schneider - there is https://www.schneiders-baeckerei.de/uns … ess=Siegen but it covers only some of this names

Büsch may be brand used by EDEKA, but I am also not sure.

Other look like a common names without uniting brand and will be also processed. Thanks for the help!

Last edited by Mateusz Konieczny (2019-05-03 11:46:32)

Prince Kassad

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Re: popular names on shop=bakery - brands, common names or descriptive

I am unsure about Bäckerei Schneider

Schneider is an incredibly common name in Germany so it's very likely these are all independent bakeries that just happen to share the name.

mmd

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Re: popular names on shop=bakery - brands, common names or descriptive

Büsch seems to be a subsidiary of EDEKA Rhein-Ruhr, originally a family run company, acquired in 2002. -> https://verbund.edeka/rhein-ruhr/%C3%BC … %C3%BCsch/