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#1 2018-08-31 09:33:35

allier
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Skogsbilveier tagged with access=private

Hi,

Some forest roads (skogsbilveier) around Marifjell in Oslomarka are tagged as private.
See for instance the access road to Vikkelihytta: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/417397695.
Consequently the roads are automatically ignored by routing engines when calculating hiking/biking/skiing routes, even though some of these ways are parts of marked DNT and Skiforeningen trails (See https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5694553654 and https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5694553655 )

Since these are practically the only instances of forest roads tagged with access=private in Nordmarka, I assume this is a tagging mistake.
Anybody to confirm? Any recommendation for proper tagging?

Thanks.

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#2 2018-08-31 12:02:11

Entur AS | Johan Wiklund
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Re: Skogsbilveier tagged with access=private

I would think its a tagging mistake. There have been som big discussions on how to tag forest roads (unclassified/service/track), and a lot of people use access=private for roads that are privately maintained.

I would assume, if there are no gates or fences that the area is freely accessible. Especially for footrouting.


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#3 2018-08-31 14:23:15

Reitstoen
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Re: Skogsbilveier tagged with access=private

I'm guessing these roads should have an access tag for motor vehicles only.
So instead of access=private it should be motor_vehicle=private.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

Last edited by Reitstoen (2018-08-31 14:24:24)

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#4 2018-08-31 18:50:33

NKA
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Re: Skogsbilveier tagged with access=private

I have not been there myself. Several web pages about Vikkelihytta and Honsjøhytta state that it is possible to drive and park there.

The private tag was uploaded 9 years ago. Perhaps the access restriction is not valid anymore.

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#5 2018-09-02 10:18:35

allier
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Re: Skogsbilveier tagged with access=private

Thank you for your suggestions,
I will tag these forest roads with motor_vehicle=private, except for the access roads to Vikkelihytta and Honsjøhytta where I will use motor_vehicle=permissive instead.

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#6 2018-09-03 14:08:52

Entur AS | Johan Wiklund
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Re: Skogsbilveier tagged with access=private

NKA wrote:

I have not been there myself. Several web pages about Vikkelihytta and Honsjøhytta state that it is possible to drive and park there.

The private tag was uploaded 9 years ago. Perhaps the access restriction is not valid anymore.

Or the mapping rules were different 9 years ago smile

allier: It might also be that it should be tagged with toll instead of private/permissive. Without knowing i would rather not use access tags at all.


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#7 2018-09-05 08:44:45

allier
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Re: Skogsbilveier tagged with access=private

I think you are right: in this specific case it probably makes more sense to remove the access restrictions altogether.
The initial value "access=private" looks like a tagging mistake (if I am not mistaken "access=private" contradicts the Norwegian public right of access for non-motor vehicles in forest areas) and other values like "motor_vehicle=private" or "motor_vehicle=permissive" cannot be ascertained without a survey.

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