Unfortunately, in my area school speed limits are usually posted with “when children are present” rather than with hours of operation and I’ve not figured out how to tag that in a way that would be useful.
With respect to construction speeds: During the recent freeway/motorway multiple year construction in my area I set maxspeed to the construction speed limit and now that the construction work has finished, I’ve changed the maxspeed back to the non-construction value. Not sure that helps. But in cases where construction can last months or years it seem reasonable.
If anyone does, can you tell me exactly what to put in the “key” and “value” fields?
It seems a bit confusing whether the time restriction goes in the “key” or “value” fields. I’m running a test right now, but would love confirmation as well so my work follows standard practice. Thanks!
Potlach2 is somewhat deprecated. Apart from anything else, it relies on Flush¹, which keeps having major security issues and is itself deprecated (end of life is 2020).
See the example on the wiki page n76 mentioned. The key is the bit before the equal sign and the value is the bit after the equal sign.
So, key is “maxspeed:conditional” and value is “100 @ (20:00-06:00)”.
Don’t forget to explicitly give the default for when the conditional doesn’t apply, such as maxspeed=120.
¹Some people call it “Flash” but after the first time I saw a website mplemented entirely in Flash I concluded that the designer might as well have flushed the site down the toilet. YMMV.
It’s probably worth investigating the iD editor (the default editor on osm.org) before 2020 comes and Flush stops getting any security updates (or any updates at all). Given that vulnerabilities in Flush appear on a regular basis (see https://www.csoonline.com/article/3158488/security/are-the-adobe-flash-vulnerabilities-leaving-you-feeling-scared.html) it’s a really bad idea to run Flush without security updates. Not only that, newer versions of browsers won’t run Flush unless you explicitly install and/or enable it.
Ohh that one. Can’t use it. No multi-select, we’d be here for years editing limits. Horrible UX speed for that unfortunately. Will have to keep using Potlatch2 until it dies or they improve iD. Thanks for bringing this to attention.
Or try JOSM or Merkaartor. I’ve not used either of them so I don’t know if they can do what you want. I suspect JOSM can (might need a plugin) but that’s just a guess. Somebody will be along soon to correct me.
Tried JOSM and couldn’t download data for some reason, didn’t give it a full shot because Potlatch just worked point and shoot for me. Will look into this Merk one too. Great suggestion. New to OSM so appreciate all the help. Very very powerful platform! Very thankful for it
Thanks for the push Viajero. I will do. If I have any problems I’m going to ping you guys here in this thread as JOSM is related here. Thanks for all of your wisdom so far.
In-browser Flash Player is deprecated. The desktop Flash runtime (Adobe AIR) is not deprecated. P2 is being transitioned from the former to the latter.
AIR isn’t even supported for my OS, and the last release available for my OS is from 2011, so I couldn’t have a bug-free, secure version even if I wanted it (I don’t).
3): AIR shares the same codebase as Flush, so is just as buggy and insecure. Given Adobe’s track record, it will always be buggy and insecure.
People will either have to install AIR runtime in order to use it or put up with larger downloads where the runtime is bundled into the app. Unless you offer unbundled, or are prepared to offer a bundle with the 2011 runtime for Linux, I won’t be able to use it even if I wanted to (I don’t).
I tried P2. It made it hard to do things I wanted to do that were easy in iD. I expect it makes some things easy that are hard in iD but back when I gave P2 a try I didn’t encounter any.
JOSM does more, and does it better (so I’m told). It runs on Java, and I despise Java, but Java is not as bad/buggy/insecure as Flush/AIR.
So it’s nice to know P2 will continue to be available after 2020, but I won’t be using it. Perhaps others will. I’d advise them not to, based simply on Adobe’s track record for security holes.
b) You’re not a P2 user. You’ve said so. That’s fine. OSM has lots of editing software. That’s good. Choice is good. There are people who like P2. You’re not one of them. No software suits everyone. I’m totally failing to see what the issue is here.
We have something in common, then. I thought your response of
to be unnecessarily hostile, in a passive-aggressive sort of way. I responded in a similar manner, but I was making a point: there are developers who respond to the needs of their users and there are those who do not.
I tried it for a time when iD was broken for some users with certain hardware. I’m not currently a user because it wouldn’t let me do what I wanted to do, something that was easy in iD. And I am a potential user. Well, I suppose that’s definitely in the past tense, now. Was a potential user. After this thread, that potential is no longer there. The dependence on seriously bug-ridden Adobe s/w put it way down my list; the inability to do what I wanted moved it even lower; with this thread it’s no longer on the list and will never re-appear on the list. You’re happy with that, and so am I.
Brian, I believe we operate from shared values, as I’ve certainly been vocally critical of Flash in the past. Still, your posts have felt rather dismissive towards people like Richard who invest countless hours of their time in the development of OSM editors.
Richard most likely has a thicker skin than I do, but as a developer, let me say that it can be very hurtful to have your work devalued. On the whole, the OSM community strikes me as a friendly and welcoming bunch, and I hope we all continue to hold ourselves to a high standard of behaviour.
Also, let’s keep in mind that Potlatch is no longer the default editor, and Flash is no longer a real danger to open internet standards. So the stakes just aren’t all that high anymore. Today, both are a relatively niche option that people can seek out voluntarily. I’m a JOSM user, but I’m still grateful for the diversity of editors available to the mapper community. Choice, healthy competition, and mutual inspiration are beneficial for the project as a whole.
@bodaggin: Sorry that your thread got derailed a bit (and that I’m ultimately contributing to the off-topic content with this post). I believe your initial question has been answered, and if you have any further questions I’m sure people will be glad to help! In the meantime, I hope you enjoy mapping, no matter which editor works best for you.
