International Admin Boundaries 2018

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://wambachers-osm.website/index.php/10-osm-reports/1149-countries-compare-2018-03-02

Der Datenstand ist vom 2018-03-01 23:01:02+01

30 Missings und drei kritische Grenzen.

Gruss
walter

Re Somalia / Somaililand (trying to wrap things up in the absence of further comment from the person who thought OSM was wrong):

What OSM has are areas that are essentially the maximal “claim” for both Somalia (as admin_level=2) and Somaliland (as admin_level=3). This is fairly in keeping with other places around the world. It’s true here (as elsewhere) that both entities’ control over those areas is weak. There are other lower-level entities there (e.g. Puntland) that as I understand it don’t claim statehood, so Puntland in OSM is probably also OK, even though it appears to be in dispute with Somaliland. Essentially then what OSM has is probably “as good as it can be” within OSM’s data model.

Of course, if someone has other information (and not just from the usual news sources, wikipedia and the CIA World Factbook) then please do say so - my knowledge of the situation in this part of Africa is remote and likely to remain so.

Sorry, don’t know other sources.

tnx
walter

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://wambachers-osm.website/index.php/10-osm-reports/1150-countries-compare-2018-03-03

Der Datenstand ist vom 2018-03-02 23:01:02+01

58 Missings und 5 kritische Grenzen.

Gruss
walter

Irgendwas ist komisch: “defekte” Länder und ich kann auf den 1. Blick fast nix finden. Sieht einer mehr?
Ich schau mir mal den Log der Auswertung an.

In Lettland hat wer um Mitternacht rum gebastelt. da kann sowas schon mal vorkommen.
BELarus auch.

Ansonsten ist es neben DEU fast der ganze Ostblock.

Grübelnde Grüsse
walter

EDIT: Im Log ist nix Schlimmes zu finden, nur dass diese Länder halt fehlen :frowning:

Hi I am discussing this matter with Data working group offline to make the map more authentic than what is depicted.

I am exactly saying the below part here.
*** It should be part of the Somalia country boundary **

Ok, thats a statement - but which area or areas do you mean in detail?

please be more specific.

@SomeoneElse: “it’s not part of Somalia”

do you say:

  • It is not part of Somalia in the real world
    or
  • At this moment it is not part of the OSM-View of Somalia
    or
  • something else ?

and which two al6 are you (andy) talking about?

tried to create an (uncomplete) image:

All areas a part of somalia(2) in OSM and some of them do overlap.

Regards
walter

Re Somalia, see https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/1792 and the comment on https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/56852460 . I don’t want to dismiss out of hand the idea that the admin levels in OSM are wrong here, but we need at least some evidence saying what the problem actually is and what the correct admin levels are as of 2018. Currently OSM (until the recent unilateral changes) reflected pretty much what https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Somalia_%282009%E2%80%93present%29 and other sources said - Somali claim over the whole country; Somaliland claim over the area OSM had as admin_level=3. OSM didn’t reflect the Puntland/Somaliland dispute, the issues described at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somaliland#Border_disputes or the rest of the civil war issues concentrated in the south of Somalia, but I don’t think that it would be feasible for us to do so with rigid “admin_level” boundaries.

That’s contradicted by your most recent edit!

Also, do you have any evidence of what the current situation on the ground is? We’re trying to get the boundaries right here. Does my summary at https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=687614#p687614 make any sense to you? If not, what parts are incorrect?

I was talking about https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/126925545 (the context was “Taking https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/126925545 as an example, it’s currently a member of several relations.”). Currently it’s a member of:

Relation Somaliland (3586169) (as outer)
Relation Sanaag (1720065) (as outer)
Relation Bari (1720054) (as outer)
Relation Laasqoray لاسقرى (1720121) (as outer)
Relation Bossaso بوصاصو (1720083) (as outer)

ok, when i add Laasqoray and Bossaso to my map i’m geting this:

and this is ok for me. All areas are contained by somalia(2).

Because i don’t really know whats going on, i’ll be quiet now :wink:

regards
walter

In Brasilien hat ein neuer Mapper in seinen ersten beiden Änderungssätzen mit iD viele “überflüssige Linien” entfernt - vermutlich unsere Grenz-Segmente, mit denen er nichts anfangen konnte.

Toll.

hast du ihn “angeknurrt”? :wink:

Gruss
walter

Erst heute morgen (in diesem CS).

Franz

Der portugiesische Kommentar hier scheint mir aber auch deutlich zu sein – oder zumindest was, was der Goggele-Übersetzer draus macht.

–ks

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://wambachers-osm.website/index.php/10-osm-reports/1151-countries-compare-2018-03-04

Der Datenstand ist vom 2018-03-03 23:01:02+01

15 Missings und zwei kritische Grenzen.

Gruss
walter

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://wambachers-osm.website/index.php/10-osm-reports/1152-countries-compare-2018-03-05

Der Datenstand ist vom 2018-03-04 23:01:02+01

33 Missings und zwei kritische Grenzen.

Gruss
walter

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://wambachers-osm.website/index.php/10-osm-reports/1154-countries-compare-2018-03-06

Der Datenstand ist vom 2018-03-05 23:01:03+01

13 Missings und keine kritische Grenze.

Gruss
walter

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://wambachers-osm.website/index.php/10-osm-reports/1155-countries-compare-2018-03-07

Der Datenstand ist vom 2018-03-06 23:01:02+01

37 Missings und eine kritische Grenze.

Gruss
walter