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#1 2015-10-30 10:54:41

AkuAnakTimur
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Mapbox imagery update

Here's hoping Mapbox would update Malaysia as well. They said that they have about 3,000,000 km² fresh imagery - as big as India... but we could try anyways.

Go here to request for update. Good luck!

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#2 2015-11-10 15:31:31

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

Apparently Mapbox has updated their satellite imagery (thanks very, very much!). Of course, the Greater Klang Valley and Kuala Lumpur gets them first in Malaysia. What's new? ZOOM LEVEL 19 (same with Bing's)! Also, quite cloudless imageries.

I am currently helping someone to map the Sri Petaling LRT extension. Bing is not up-to-date, Landsat is useful up to level 13. I curiously checked for Mapbox satellite - BAM - yup, something new came out.

Since the Sri Petaling LRT extension looks still under construction, but all the stations and tracks were already up, so probably it's from mid-2014.

The lucky places that's updated falls between these key regions:
1. Sungai Buloh / Kuang
2. Batu Caves / Gombak
3. Ampang / Hulu Langat
4. Kajang / Semenyih
5. Bangi and a piece of Nilai 3
6. Putrajaya / Dengkil
7. Telok Panglima Garang / Jenjarom
8. Port Klang and a huge chunk of Pulau Indah
9. Klang / Kapar / Meru

So places like Shah Alam, PJ, etc. gets the update - you know what I mean.

No idea about Johor Bahru, it gets up to zoom level 18 (probably because Singapore gets the same) but I literally have no idea whether if it is some sort of recent imagery.

Don't forget to follow good mapping practice. And also put along source=Mapbox as well.

Happy mapping KL and Selangor mappers!

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#3 2016-04-27 03:49:59

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

More updates, with more recent imageries in Ipoh, Kuching and Kota Kinabalu (they put some hint on this image). Not sure about when it was taken - but Mapbox said that they were "captured within the last few months".

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#4 2016-04-27 06:52:03

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

Sadly, I didn't get the requested coverage for Dungun and Kemaman/Chukai area despite asking twice already. Oh well...

BTW, Selangor/WP/Klang valley mappers.. could some of you check out the OSM Notes regarding highway exit names for the highways? Those notes are all over Klang valley expressways. I do believe that many, if not most, don't have exit names, just a ref number (especially on MRR2). However, somebody did open many Notes putting in exit names. Perhaps, we can close those Notes with a reject note since those exits don't actually have any names. Time to cleanup the mess..

=kucai=
p/s moved out of Selangor a year ago, so the comment is from my own recollection.

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#5 2016-04-27 10:27:27

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

kucai wrote:

Sadly, I didn't get the requested coverage for Dungun and Kemaman/Chukai area despite asking twice already. Oh well...

If the whole of Penang Island didn't manage to get any (I'm surprised with that to be honest)... then we should know the fate for minor places. Well, Mapbox is a startup company, so it has its own focus to expand its business.

Now, speaking about Bing. I believed March last year was the last major imagery update. Then Microsoft hands over its staff and technology related to Bing Maps to Uber in June. No idea whether or when will Microsoft would update the Bing imagery... hopefully they would update things outside the US.

kucai wrote:

... check out the OSM Notes regarding highway exit names for the highways?

... if not most, don't have exit names, just a ref number (especially on MRR2)...

If I recall correctly, I have seen some MRR2 interchanges feature those special EXIT signs much like this:
kuDI0To.jpg?1

without exit name and exit numbers! Soooo... like it or not, it has to be surveyed. Or at least, hoping someone records and beams the pictures into a Mapillary stream.

Well, the notes can be closed to reduce clutter.

EDIT: the request fresh imagery link has been 404'd.

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#6 2016-04-28 03:05:19

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

exit number and name is stored in the node and not display on the exit road segment.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag: … y_junction

example: Unresolved note #242858, exit Pedas..seem OK to me as its already have the exit tagged.

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#7 2016-04-28 04:07:42

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

Only God knows when they'll actually figure out when and what to fill on those EXIT signs.. the responsible department(s) regarding this matter almost seems to be in permanent disarray.

For example, in Terengganu, there seems to be a change coming. Exit signs and road name signs started popping up, but.. the main highway (trunk or primary or whatever) from Kuantan to Kuala Terengganu have 3 different (official?) names. It has those old inter city names; Kemaman -Dungun, Dungun-KT etc.. and add to that the superset Kuantan-Kuala Terengganu name. Nobody has determined yet where the start and end points are.

Hopefully, things will get sort out one way or another.

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#8 2016-04-28 11:10:00

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

lybdh wrote:

exit number and name is stored in the node and not display on the exit road segment.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag: … y_junction

Which should be the correct practice. IMHO, suitable for the Federal Highway, MRR2, etc which have (grade-seperated) interchanges. If there are no exit numbers or exit names, the destination tag can be useful.

But for (at grade) intersections with traffic lights, I prefer to use name tag on traffic_signals unless there are reference numbers.

lybdh wrote:

example: Unresolved note #242858, exit Pedas..seem OK to me as its already have the exit tagged.

Mostly the case, when the note was added nearly two years ago, if I'm not mistaken. If I seen it, I'll simply "resolve" the note. This happened twice in the northern peninsular (well, actually it's the whole west coast)... no idea who did this because it was made anonymously. Quite frustrating actually.

kucai wrote:

Only God knows when they'll actually figure out when and what to fill on those EXIT signs.

Haha! That's why the do-ocracy of OSM is to map whatever is on the ground. No reference numbers or exit names? Fine, there's no need to include that. I have seen sometimes Waze contributors put up things (of course in Waze's database) that are not really can be seen on the road... sometimes road names are really like... whatever. Some would follow what's on the police's database and the others may take what's available from JKR.

kucai wrote:

Exit signs and road name signs started popping up

I have seen it in Kelantan too (as of January 2015), exclusively on the federal routes 3, 4 and 8. Exit signs too, but not that much.

Road names however... ha, I'm not really sure about that. At least Kelantan, Terengganu and Pahang are getting those. Kedah (and Seberang Perai to an extent), however, nowhere to be seen. There's only road signs being put up in the towns, by the local councils. Perlis, if I am not mistaken, its JKR put up road signs across the whole state!

Official road names has been put up, I have discussed with the legal mailing list, they say we couldn't use this due to some legal implications. But I could try asking MAMPU if they would be just fine to be listed on the Contributors page on the Wiki. The license implicitly mention that (sort of like this) all third-party app using OSM data must attribute the government - if any piece of data from the portal is included in OSM. Bah!

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#9 2017-05-09 19:58:41

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

Everyone, check two new imagery layers, courtesy from DigitalGlobe!

Mixed bag of surprises: my area (Alor Setar) has some from 2012, but the rest is mainly from 2015-ish.

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#10 2017-05-12 13:25:55

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

From the import mailing list,

Kevin Bullock wrote:

[...] in the DigitalGlobe Premium layer we have made available for OSM, our intention is to publish a global imagery layer. [...] The next region that will be updated is SE Asia and China. This includes Thailand and all the surrounding countries. [...] Our estimated timeframe is late/end of May for Thailand and the rest of SE Asia to be available, at which time, you and the entire OSM community will have access to the exact same data that Facebook has been using.

For the time being, this tool can be accessed to know the year of the recorded imagery.

Unrelated, the AI-Assisted Road Tracing thing may be delayed until Facebook gets the thumbs up from Thailand's OSM community. The updated imagery, hopefully, helps a lot to verify the AI output; but always remember that ideally, ground truth surveys is the best.

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#11 2017-05-24 10:17:09

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

Finally got to see the new imagery for a few towns in Terengganu. Wonderful!

However, the usual problem will come for newly available imagery for cities where none was available before - imagery offset. Not everybody uses JOSM with that specific plugin, so that means those people will find that the roads (gps traces) are off by some distance from the imagery.

My proposal for this situation is for us to just trace from the imagery the way it is. After let's say 90% of the roads in the area have been traced, only then somebody comes and align the whole imagery to available gps tracks. It would be a much easier single step to do..

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#12 2017-05-24 14:10:28

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

And you all can notice Hulu Selangor Imagery also avaible now, That some user had been trace for Kuala Kubu Baru and Rasa.Maybe Klang Valley suburban area can be trace by using DG.

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#13 2017-05-25 03:32:49

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

Bing imagery, however, is sourced from several partners (for example, Airbus). If they happened to update their imagery, I would say that (probably major) cities would get them first, if not the whole country. At least one can hear them first through their blog or Twitter account.

DigitalGlobe is going to update the Premium layer anyway sooner or later, but I value the diversity of having multiple imagery. Because from that way, new OSM users are aware that there are offsets - or how much the satellite layer deviates away from actual things in reality.

Bing imagery has minor offsets sometimes but DG ones is more noticeable. For example, DG Standard has 10, 10 (degrees?) offset south of Alor Setar. A little bit north, then it is around 0, 5.

(re)

kucai wrote:

My proposal for this situation is for us to just trace from the imagery the way it is. After let's say 90% of the roads in the area have been traced, only then somebody comes and align the whole imagery to available gps tracks. It would be a much easier single step to do..

Also, at least we could tell them to tick this and see how much roads are not in line (lari, tak centre) with GPS traces:

mHEvGpG.png?1

I usually do them manually, step by step, bit by bit. Ya lor, not many people yet in my focus area. Unlike in KL, Klang Valley or Penang - had headaches while aligning building in Penang. Also, building height is different, so I better do it one by one (if I have the time...).

P.S. The JOSM editor has a direct access (but must be activated first) to use the Strava heatmap, but iD and Potlatch has access using Custom imagery. Surprise, surprise, some places may not have uploaded GPS traces, but there may be tracks recorded by Strava users.

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#14 2017-06-21 04:49:06

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

I'm seeing updates on the DigitalGlobe Premium layer. For some places, it used to be roughly the same as the low-res black and white Mapbox layer, but today, they are being replaced with high-res, coloured one.

Can't really say whether they are the most recent ones, but IIRC at least the Premium layer is less cloudy than the Standard layer.

From Thailand's forum:

DrishT wrote:

<snip>

Please note the DG Premium Layer should be updating soon so you will be seeing exactly what we see in a matter of days smile

Thanks again for your help Bernhard!

Best,
Drishtie

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#15 2017-07-22 18:35:45

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

Mapbox Satellite also has updates, but they're more or less like the DigitalGlobe Premium layer. Probably useful because from what I read, the Premium layer might get updated more often.

P.S. Why Penang seemed like didn't get the love of updates? Strange. roll

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#16 2017-07-23 01:37:36

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

What a pity, but we have DG to use too.

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#17 2017-07-23 03:30:51

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

angys wrote:

What a pity, but we have DG to use too.

Seberang Perai has three updated imageries. Three! Bing from 2012/13, DigitalGlobe Standard and DigitalGlobe Premium (probably the latest, you might know better). George Town only has DigitalGlobe Premium only, and new OSM contributors are very likely to see the Bing layer first (that's from 10 years ago). That makes me a little bit worried.

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#18 2017-07-23 10:46:07

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

Yes SPT is more clearly now but SPS stiil blur.:rolleyes:I will try to cover Seberang Perai suburban area first in this year..

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#19 2017-08-26 03:48:58

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

Another imagery layer is made available courtesy of ESRI.

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#20 2017-10-05 06:13:29

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

DigitalGlobe Standard imagery has been updated near my place. Probably from late last year or early this year!

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#21 2017-12-02 10:00:00

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

Yes, for now the Esri map is the clearest in the Seberang Perai. Now I will update for Bandar Perda one...
The Seremban Bandar Seri Sendayan also got a lot of changed...

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#22 2017-12-04 00:29:59

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Re: Mapbox imagery update

I like both ESRI & DigitalGlobe, is it possible to change the default to other instead of Bing?

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#23 2017-12-04 02:21:26

kucai
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Re: Mapbox imagery update

depends on your editor. In JOSM that is non issue, you just select which imagery you want to load as background.

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#24 2017-12-04 13:48:04

AkuAnakTimur
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Re: Mapbox imagery update

Kadaz wrote:

I like both ESRI & DigitalGlobe, is it possible to change the default to other instead of Bing?

Was thinking the same actually. So I have sent a message to the maintainer of the iD editor, a few months ago.

jQDMY2v.png

Apparently, it's not possible to do so in the iD editor (yet). The most feasible way, is to get a source which is Malaysia-specific ( gahmen, can help aaa? wink wink ) -- so that when iD editor is launched, it will be chosen as the default selection.

If you have a GitHub account, feel free to submit an issue there.

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#25 2017-12-04 14:42:20

angys
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Re: Mapbox imagery update

AkuAnakTimur, what is this https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4436507942. I think that road maybe not motorcycle lane but new roads to sunsuria

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