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#1 2017-06-29 16:05:57

Kadaz
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Greeting from a new mapper

Actually registered OSM account long time ago but have been using Google Maps all the time...

Recently happened to take a look back into OSM and found that there are many outdated map data so I'm trying to update it as much as I could.

Feels like doing it lonely so hope someone could help to correct and teach me if I done anything wrong.

BTW, wanna say HI to everyone who donate their time and effort to OSM!! big_smile

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#2 2017-06-30 05:45:49

AkuAnakTimur
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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

Hello! Welcome back to OSM!

Kadaz wrote:

Feels like doing it lonely so hope someone could help to correct and teach me if I done anything wrong.

Well, the Malaysian OSM volunteers is not as big as the friendly competitors, tongue so yeah. Feel free to post anything here in this forum (even in bahasa Melayu).

The OSM wiki is the instant reference for almost everything; there's also some details in our country's context.

Remember, have fun mapping: do it whenever you feel free to do so!

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#3 2017-06-30 14:15:40

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

As now, OSM Malaysia didnt have someone local mapper.Yeah, now you may help to update the Melaka state or Tampin, Rembau...

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#4 2017-06-30 16:08:25

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

AkuAnakTimur wrote:

Hello! Welcome back to OSM!

Kadaz wrote:

Feels like doing it lonely so hope someone could help to correct and teach me if I done anything wrong.

Well, the Malaysian OSM volunteers is not as big as the friendly competitors, tongue so yeah. Feel free to post anything here in this forum (even in bahasa Melayu).

The OSM wiki is the instant reference for almost everything; there's also some details in our country's context.

Remember, have fun mapping: do it whenever you feel free to do so!

A lot of things to do and it's time consuming but I'm totally agree with you, have fun and enjoy mapping. big_smile

Thanks for sharing the wiki page and I'll keep it in my bookmarks.

angys wrote:

As now, OSM Malaysia didnt have someone local mapper.Yeah, now you may help to update the Melaka state or Tampin, Rembau...

Add new roads.. adjustment.. add roads name.. POI and etc...

Some Taman areas are still empty and need to fill the blank. tongue

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#5 2017-07-02 01:13:21

kucai
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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

welkang gengg..

A lot of Melaka region was left empty because we used not to have any good imagery for that area until Digitalglobe comes in a few months ago. Keep in mind when realigning maps etc.. get a few good gps tracks yourself if you distrust the one already included (I saw many with the characteristic of bad hdop values - bad receiver location in cars I presume).

Have fun mapping.

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#6 2017-07-02 06:48:08

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

kucai wrote:

welkang gengg..

A lot of Melaka region was left empty because we used not to have any good imagery for that area until Digitalglobe comes in a few months ago. Keep in mind when realigning maps etc.. get a few good gps tracks yourself if you distrust the one already included (I saw many with the characteristic of bad hdop values - bad receiver location in cars I presume).

Have fun mapping.

Yes, I noticed some empty areas covered by cloud with Bing's map.
Very excited to see Digitalglobe released both standard and premium images.
Will go out and record GPS tracks for those unidentifiable places covered by cloud or due to outdated images.

However, don't forget drive safe is top 1 priority when recording GPS tracks on road.

Nice to see you guys still active in OSM community here, cheers~ big_smile

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#7 2017-07-02 10:16:46

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

Kadaz wrote:
kucai wrote:

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Ladies and gentlemen, meet our otai, hardcore mapper. big_smile

Kadaz wrote:

However, don't forget drive safe is top 1 priority when recording GPS tracks on road.

Definitely! Unless you have a Significant Other whom happen to share someone's passion of mapping during driving. tongue Hehe.

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#8 2017-07-04 16:43:54

Kadaz
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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

AkuAnakTimur wrote:
Kadaz wrote:
kucai wrote:

<snip snip>

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Ladies and gentlemen, meet our otai, hardcore mapper. big_smile

Kadaz wrote:

However, don't forget drive safe is top 1 priority when recording GPS tracks on road.

Definitely! Unless you have a Significant Other whom happen to share someone's passion of mapping during driving. tongue Hehe.

I've been busy drawing roads on the map... very time consuming hmm

I wish OSM system able to identify all roads & buildings automatically so we only need to enter road names, address and etc...

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#9 2017-07-05 01:39:26

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It is, but there are ways to minimize it.

For hardcore road-only tracing, IMO nothing beats Potlatch 2 - auto image download, very useful node traversal feature (comp sci graph traversal algorithm anyone?:P ). For example, you trace a long highway and at every junction that you meet, you stop and trace that side road until you meet the end. Click one key, and you are back to the beginning node where road junction meets the long highway, and you can continue tracing that highway once again. Rinse and repeat. But you need to save regularly though, sometimes something goes wonky that I have no clue why it happens.

JOSM comes next, excellent  for all-around tracing which include buildings and stuff, a lot of presets, validation.

And then iD. I only use it for small jobs, usually when there is only mapbox imagery available for that specific area. I like it for its maximum zoom interpolation feature which makes the medium resolution imagery pretty recognizable. Other than that, not so much, too high a requirement for my computer to run.

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#10 2017-07-05 04:04:51

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

Kadaz wrote:

I wish OSM system able to identify all roads & buildings automatically so we only need to enter road names, address and etc...

That's the same problem that I'm having when I first start signing up and contributing to OSM, about 4 years ago. Kedah map was depressingly quite empty. Especially because here in Malaysia, there's fewer contributors (including tourists and expats). What's worse, there's only Bing aerial imagery is made available. Mapbox satellite comes in 2014 and now we have two more imagery layers recently. During my early OSM contributing days, GPS tracks is my friend (well, that's the case since the inception of OSM in the UK circa 2004).

That's history lectures aside.

If there are Strava users around your area, try the third-party tracing tool from Strava: Strava Slide. Of course, it would be interesting to read about it. Click one end, and click another end of a (previously unmapped) road, and click Slide. Hopefully that would make automated tracing easier. The downside is that Strava's iD editor has not included (yet) the DigitalGlobe layers, which could slow down some verification and/or validation process.

Also, patiently waiting, a team from Facebook is training an AI to trace roads. Right now they're trying to improve OSM coverage in Thailand before moving to our country.

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#11 2017-07-06 14:48:44

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

@kucai
I've heard JOSM is powerful and it takes time to learn but for now the online iD-editor fulfilled my needs so I'll stick with it first and learn JOSM later. big_smile

@AkuAnakTimur
Thanks for sharing your experiences it really looks hard when back in time.

I feel appreciate when I open the map and thinking that every single node, way and area came from someone’s contribution previously.

Ok, I’ll get back to work on mapping. tongue

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#12 2017-07-07 05:04:39

AkuAnakTimur
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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

Kadaz wrote:

I feel appreciate when I open the map and thinking that every single node, way and area came from someone’s contribution previously.

Ok, I’ll get back to work on mapping. tongue

tongue Please, don't be too hard on yourselves. Slow but steady, wins the race. I, too, appreciate every contributors here, especially those whom mapped for many, many years and counting. Quantity never matters, but it's the quality over time. There are even expats and visitors on bicycles - and went mapping all across the country. In addition, there are some mainly doing adjustments, relying on their knowledge.

The forum is indeed intended to discuss about mapping, but not necessarily all the time. lol

Kadaz wrote:

[...] but for now the online iD-editor fulfilled my needs so I'll stick with it first and learn JOSM later. [...]

In my humble opinion, the iD editor gets better with time. I don't use iD frequently, but in the news, people from Mapbox is making it more powerful. It's totally alright to stick with familiar tools.

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#13 2017-07-08 12:01:30

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

Yes but actually I use iD more as it didn't need to install.Kadaz thanks for the ''賭間口'' Jalan Hang Kasturi Update but when you do road names in Melaka city better verify with locals to avoid OSM get wrong name.

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#14 2017-07-09 05:37:49

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

@AkuAnakTimur
I just bought a pen and notebook for mapping outdoor.
Feel good back to old school holding pen & paper when we are in the era of typing on keyboard and touching screen. big_smile

@angys
Fixed!

Thanks for reminding me. smile

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#15 2017-07-09 08:06:46

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

Kadaz wrote:

I just bought a pen and notebook for mapping outdoor.
Feel good back to old school holding pen & paper when we are in the era of typing on keyboard and touching screen. big_smile

Oh, wow. I happen to map using the bookmarks feature on OsmAnd while travelling. With pen and paper, you don't have even to worry about the battery la, also almost certain zero risk of gadget theft. Pen and paper works best in almost every situation actually, rain or shine; indoors and outdoors. Even when you are adding data to OSM, you can rotate the notes easily lol lol lol

In case of emergency, I brought along a pen; so if I have the time, I can scribble on paper receipts. lol

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#16 2017-07-09 09:07:27

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

Be careful with street names.. I've seen street names on google which I myself have been searching for years unsuccessfully. Many important roads in Terengganu doesn't have any names (or visible signs), but seems google already found out. roll  I assume it is the same everywhere else.

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#17 2017-07-09 14:13:35

AkuAnakTimur
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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

kucai wrote:

Be careful with street names.. I've seen street names on google which I myself have been searching for years unsuccessfully. Many important roads in Terengganu doesn't have any names (or visible signs), but seems google already found out. roll  I assume it is the same everywhere else.

Same case here in Kedah. Residential streets in taman perumahan, and important roads in major city/town centres have visible name signs. Beyond these areas, good luck trying for one. That includes our major federal route (e.g. federal routes 1 and 7) in rural areas.

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#18 2017-07-09 23:39:26

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

I agree also but my opinion isthe name:zh tag should be fill with simplified Chinese not Traditional Chinese just like Jonker Streethttps://www.openstreetmap.org/way/154824619/history.


Yes mobiles help me a lots.Maybe you can use the MAPS.ME app because it only need to download little size of maps. But it's cold is didn't showing some areas in OSM eg highway rest area and place residential. C

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#19 2017-07-09 23:41:44

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

Ah also hope you can clear all the FIX ME tag in Melaka City because this maybe brought bad impression to the other OSM consumer neutral:|

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#20 2017-07-10 15:55:14

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

@kuchai
Maybe google accessed / collected geologic map database from government?

I only enter those names I'm pretty sure it’s correct otherwise I’ll just leave it blank for unsure.

@AkuAnakTimur
You're right.
I can write on paper and save battery for GPS tracking. tongue

@angys
Sorry but I insist on using traditional chinese coz the name original exists in traditional chinese so we can't simply ignore it and change it to simplified chinese unless OSM splits chinese into simplified & traditional chinese then only we can do the translation. Otherwise, stick with the official name which is in traditional chinese for Jonker Walk.

The Jonker Walk (Malay: Persiaran Jonker, Chinese: 雞場街) is the Chinatown street of Melaka, Malaysia located along Jonker Street (Malay: Jalan Hang Jebat).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonker_Walk
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ … alacca.JPG

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#21 2017-07-11 07:15:59

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

OK that historic area we just leave it for traditional becuz it has historic value.I suggest that the name:zh roadname in UNESCO cities (George Town and Melaka City) can use both of 2 script(Trad.+Sim.).As other area like Melaka City just keep Simplyfied Chinese Character as now SJKC use it.

And the Melaka Monorail still operate? Why the station still appear on OSM and that will confuse some consumer.

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#22 2017-07-11 08:07:52

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

angys wrote:

I suggest that the name:zh roadname in UNESCO cities (George Town and Melaka City) can use both of 2 script(Trad.+Sim.).As other area like Melaka City just keep Simplyfied Chinese Character as now SJKC use it.

Map what's on the ground: if it's using Traditional Chinese, then use Traditional Chinese. But there's a way to include Simplified Chinese - try asking Singapore / Hong Kong / Taiwan OSMers around to ask for input on how to do that. Perhaps ask in OSM Help Forum - no problem directly asking in Chinese, because you might get direct answers easily.

Let me know about this, because I could update the (Malaysian) OSM Wiki regarding this matter.

512px-Jalan_Penjara_Lama_sign.jpg
Click here to enlarge - The street in question

This is in Traditional Chinese, right? So, without doubt, name:zh should be in Traditional Chinese. Also, from what I observe (areas around Kedah), old shops tend to use Traditional Chinese. But new ones might switch to Simplified.

Well, I leave the rest to you guys whether to stick with Simplified or Traditional for other places without a visible name sign.

Disclaimer: I cannot read Chinese at all, but using Google Translate and/or this tool, at least I could have a go to input name:zh values. lol lol Incorrect name values could probably coming from me. And I'm aware that the standard Mandarin language syllabus in Malaysia is using Simplified. Welp, that's so complicated.

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#23 2017-07-11 13:00:09

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

Not complicated at all.The street name retain Traditional cuz that brought historic value to the town as George Town.(One vote had decied since 2008 as the Mandarin Street Name use which type of script,as Traditional picked). I suggest both of two and the other name use simplyfied Chinese just like now Malay Language commonly uses Rumi and sometime use Jawi.If like that,Kelantan's citiies name will be changed to Jawi?:)

Better follow most but not least.And the Mandarin Name sometime different to another language so better verify before use it.Thank you for yours initiatives.

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#24 2017-07-11 13:24:52

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

That I search info that Alor Setar and George Town already use Chinese Road name as Traditional and Melaka City didnt have yet but I think it should same like George Town Rule.Now Kota Kinabalu and Selangor Chinese New Village use Simplified.http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/1613018/雪州政府创举!‧村庄设双语路牌 e.g. Tg. Sepat, Batang Kali....

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#25 2017-07-11 14:32:09

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Re: Greeting from a new mapper

@AkuAnakTimur

Let's learn some history..

1. Long long time ago, majority of Chinese were using Traditional Chinese.
2. People's Republic of China (PRC) decided to abolish Traditional Chinese as Simplified Chinese could be easier for people to learn.
3. Hong Kong and Taiwan still using Traditional Chinese.

That’s why long time ago those chinese roads & shops name were shown in Traditional Chinese but now most of us educated in Simplified Chinese coz of the influence of PRC policy.

Yes, it’s in Traditional Chinese in the picture you posted. tongue

@angys
I'm not sure the monorail is still operating or not but the infrastructure is still there maybe you can check it next time when you come over. lol

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