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#1 2015-06-01 23:42:32

SomeoneElse
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The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

Hello everyone in Algeria,

I'm writing this on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group.  A question has been asked recently about the use of "name" tags within various areas within Algeria, and I was asked to raise this in this forum.  The problem is that in some places in Algeria, the "name" tag has swapped between French, Arabic and combinations such as "French then Arabic" and "Arabic then French" over the years.

As this document describes:

http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/ … mation.pdf

OpenStreetMap tries to follow the "On The Ground" rule - if the majority of people in an area refer to it as "Name A" instead of "Name B", then the name within OSM should be "Name A" (though of course other language names can co-exist, and all communities are free to make their own maps from OSM data using name:ar, name:ber, name:fr or another name).

There's no need for the "name" tag to have the same language across a country.  To take an example closer to where I live, in a predominantly Welsh-speaking part of Wales the "name" of http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24433881 is the same as the Welsh name (name:cy), whereas in a predominantly English-speaking part, the name of http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4801016 is the same as the "name:en".  Of course, communities worldwide can decide to do something different - for example, the Belgian community decided to use both languages in the "name" field of http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2404021 (though that's quite rare and can be confusing for those that do not know what is happening).

What the Data Working Group would like to encourage would be for people to record all the names for a place that are in use, including where relevant Arabic (name:ar), Berber (name:ber), French (name:fr) and any others that might apply.  This is in addition to whatever is chosen as for the "name" tag.  Having all names recorded means that maps that can show multiple languages (of which http://mlm.jochentopf.com/ is a proof-of-concept example) can show the correct language when someone switches to that language.

Best Regards,

Andy Townsend (SomeoneElse), on behalf of OpenStreetMap's Data Working Group.

Google translate to French: https://translate.google.com/translate? … edit-text=, Arabic: https://translate.google.com/translate? … %23p506642

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#2 2015-06-03 15:58:36

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

Hi,

As probably the most prolific contributor i can say that the use of several languages is in use il the Maghreb countries. Personnaly i use french and i have some difficulties when it's written in Arabic, but some OSM users prefers to write in arabic, so we follow what is in work on our roads where the plates are written in two (arabic & french) or three (arabic, french & Berber) languages as you can see below.

So like the Moroccan part of the osm map, we are gona use biligual or three lingual tag name.

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#3 2015-06-04 12:44:00

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

thank you I always work with this method

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#4 2015-06-04 20:34:41

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

Hi guys, and thanks for this discussion

I always thought that one should use the country's official language for the name tag, and the other name tags for any eventual translations, would be better especially for mobile application users because so many names displayed on a small screen would really look very ugly, but that's just my opinion. If OpenStreetMap's Data Working Group decides to use multiple names standard, then I will be using that as well even though I really don't completely agree with it.

I understand that using Arabic names can be tedious for a lot of contributors, but I also really wish that my country's official language would appear on its map. I'm doing all I can to accomplish that, but I can't do much because of my crappy internet.

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#5 2015-06-04 22:12:46

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

hiddeneyes02 wrote:

Hi guys, and thanks for this discussion

I always thought that one should use the country's official language for the name tag, and the other name tags for any eventual translations, would be better especially for mobile application users because so many names displayed on a small screen would really look very ugly, but that's just my opinion. If OpenStreetMap's Data Working Group decides to use multiple names standard, then I will be using that as well even though I really don't completely agree with it.

I understand that using Arabic names can be tedious for a lot of contributors, but I also really wish that my country's official language would appear on its map. I'm doing all I can to accomplish that, but I can't do much because of my crappy internet.

It depends of what you mean official. French is used in official documentation both with arabic. A part of algerian people uses only french.

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#6 2015-06-05 09:46:35

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

It depends of what you mean official.

I mean by "official", the first language, the one widely used across the whole country and most of Algerian people can understand.

Official languages 	Arabic[3]

Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeria

French is used in official documentation both with arabic

Can't argue with that, the roots of this problem are quiet evident, and I think we are not here to discuss that.

A part of Algerian people uses only french.

Another part uses only Arabic (they really don't understand a French word), others use only Berber languages like (Kabyle, Shawiya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawiya_language, Chenouas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenouas, Mozabite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozabite_language, Touareg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuareg_languages and Tuat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuat). The part that uses only French does not really constitute a majority.

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#7 2015-06-05 14:48:56

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

hiddeneyes02 wrote:

It depends of what you mean official.

I mean by "official", the first language, the one widely used across the whole country and most of Algerian people can understand.

Official languages 	Arabic[3]

Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeria

French is used in official documentation both with arabic

Can't argue with that, the roots of this problem are quiet evident, and I think we are not here to discuss that.

A part of Algerian people uses only french.

Another part uses only Arabic (they really don't understand a French word), others use only Berber languages like (Kabyle, Shawiya http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawiya_language, Chenouas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenouas, Mozabite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozabite_language, Touareg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuareg_languages and Tuat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuat). The part that uses only French does not really constitute a majority.

And, so what is your proposal ?

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#8 2015-06-05 18:39:49

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

hi
I'm whith hiddeneyes02

look here
you can see that the language used in the West Bank (and all the Middle East) is Arabic, and the other side is the Hebrew.
and all the Globe is an example
Russia in Russian
china in Chinese
portugale in Portuguese.
etc ...
In short OSM is a database, you can get what you want, if you use the appropriate quiry via web, apps or software.
ex: http://mlm.jochentopf.com/
or osmand

and about the multi language it causes display problems in some PC configuration and application.

osmand-encodage-conflit_zpszomv8nhj.png

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#9 2015-06-07 23:11:18

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

Hi,
I was invited in the conversation, in fact I'm editing Waze map most of the time, and ocasionally OSM too as I find that it is complementary.
As I don't know arabic, I edited everything in french in the beginning.
Then I asked the local community about what they like, and finally I started to rename cities with the french name and the arabic name (Waze doesn't support localization for map elements).

In fact there are not 2 but 3 languages at least in algeria:

The algerian arabic that most algerian speaks. It is not official arabic, people can speak algerian arabic and not understand the official arabic.

From what I know is that most people speak that algerian arabic everyday.
Old people who went to school before independency can read and write french, but most of the time are unable to read or write arabic.
According to Wikipedia 11 million people older than 5 year understand french. It is a lot but not everybody.
The school is now in arabic so young people can read and write arabic, but university is in french, so educated people unsually speaks french.

After that I don't know the community of editors of OSM in algeria, but are they able to write arabic ? If not, what is the solution ?
From my experience on Waze, only very few local editors are active, and 90% are working in French (maybe because I created the map in french in the beginning I don't know).
And in the update requests from end users, 90% are also in french.

Another thing, I don't know very well the east of the country but it seems arabic is less important there, for a lot of cities you even don't find the arabic name on Wikipedia.

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#10 2015-06-10 08:54:37

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

kpouer wrote:

Hi,
I was invited in the conversation, in fact I'm editing Waze map most of the time, and ocasionally OSM too as I find that it is complementary.
As I don't know arabic, I edited everything in french in the beginning.
Then I asked the local community about what they like, and finally I started to rename cities with the french name and the arabic name (Waze doesn't support localization for map elements).

In fact there are not 2 but 3 languages at least in algeria:

The algerian arabic that most algerian speaks. It is not official arabic, people can speak algerian arabic and not understand the official arabic.

From what I know is that most people speak that algerian arabic everyday.
Old people who went to school before independency can read and write french, but most of the time are unable to read or write arabic.
According to Wikipedia 11 million people older than 5 year understand french. It is a lot but not everybody.
The school is now in arabic so young people can read and write arabic, but university is in french, so educated people unsually speaks french.

After that I don't know the community of editors of OSM in algeria, but are they able to write arabic ? If not, what is the solution ?
From my experience on Waze, only very few local editors are active, and 90% are working in French (maybe because I created the map in french in the beginning I don't know).
And in the update requests from end users, 90% are also in french.

Another thing, I don't know very well the east of the country but it seems arabic is less important there, for a lot of cities you even don't find the arabic name on Wikipedia.

  thanks

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#11 2015-06-10 21:46:56

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

Hi again smile

I also just noticed that if you download Tunis's offline map on Android OSMand app, you can see that if you use only Arabic on a map, it displays correctly, but if you use a combination of French and Arabic, the Arabic part shows those ugly rectangles.

See for yourselves :

1433968958-screenshot-2015-06-10-21-35-21.png

Sandervalya wrote:

And, so what is your proposal ?

If it was for me, I will only use Arabic in name tag, French in name:fr and I will even make an effort to add name:ber even if I really don't speak Berberian. If only I have a decent internet ... sad

kpouer wrote:

Another thing, I don't know very well the east of the country but it seems arabic is less important there, for a lot of cities you even don't find the arabic name on Wikipedia.

East or west, they're all the same. The lack of Arabic translations in Wikipedia does not reflect our interest to our language, it simply reflects our disinterest to online voluntary contributions (and that because of a lot of other reasons), if I may say.

Our dialect is a mixture of Arabic and French, and I can guaranty that 99% of educated people (not to brag, but me being one of them in an educative environment) you are talking about can perfectly understand Arabic as well as French.

Cordially.

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#12 2015-06-14 12:07:31

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

hiddeneyes02 wrote:

If it was for me, I will only use Arabic in name tag, French in name:fr and I will even make an effort to add name:ber even if I really don't speak Berberian. If only I have a decent internet ... sad

I have to admit, one thing that surprised me when I looked at the map in Algeria was the lack of "name:fr" in some places where the "name" is in French - having it also in name:fr would make it easier for multilingual maps to recognise the language of the "name" tag (this was based by having a look at nodes with various tags using Overpass in part of Algeria - http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9V4 - change the

node["name:fr"]({{bbox}});

part of the query to "name:ar" or "name:ber" to see other languages).

Unfortunately the layers available on the openstreetmap.org front page don't easily allow the selection of map tiles showing different languages, though it is possible to create your own using something like the instructions at https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/ma … ver-14-04/ and then use a bit of browser trickery to insert those tiles in place of one of the layers on osm.org - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User … om_osm.org).

A number of different OSM regions have created maps "in their own style" and their own language - if you look at the map at openstreetmap.de for example you'll see German names for places in central Europe that have many names in different languages.  If anyone would like to try and render Algerian map tiles showing name:ar, name:ber or name:fr locally it should be possible on a regular PC, since Algeria doesn't have a huge amount of data in it in OSM, though obviously hosting that somewhere that other people can see it would involve some ongoing expense.  If anyone wants to try and set up a tile server for a particular language please ask (either me directly, or on help.openstreetmap.org, or on IRC http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IRC).

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#13 2015-08-21 22:01:12

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

- I agree with Sandervalya about using bi-lang or tri-lang depending on the region. Even going far using single language, exactly the local spoken language used in the street (Arabic or Berber), same as locals call the place.

If we can't come up with an agreement, may be we should leave `name` tag empty? Let the end user choose what to use. (Anyway, most gonna use `name:en` as fallback)

- Okey with  hiddeneyes02 about 1st official language is Arabic, but French is wide spread in Business/Educational system. We should get benefit of both and any language in-use locally.

- Somehow disagree with Algebre_gama, I used to work with free/open source software dev. These are two separate projects. I think we should avoid solving a bug in a front-end like osmand by changing the whole back-end OSM database. That fonts rendering bug will be resolved sooner or later. OSM database should filled in a way, easy to use and be useful for any time (it's a long term project with many contributors).

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#14 2015-08-22 23:50:44

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

Hi,

So what's the solution ?

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#15 2015-08-25 16:19:01

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

Please use arabic name in tag "name:" instead of only french name, butterflyoffire please don't clean arabic name in tag "name:" , thanks.

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#16 2015-08-27 04:06:04

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

Use name:ar,  name:fr, the spoken arabic is a mix of amazigh and arabic. Abdjelalil you look more royalist then the king, i keep using latin alphbaet for names,

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#17 2015-08-27 12:31:37

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

Hi,
SomeoneElse was writing to us on behalf of OSM's Data Working Group and not on behalf of the Algerian Government that never opened data to public. SomeoneElse noticed that there is a problem in the algerian OSM Map.

Link : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:D … king_group

Now, I have to replay to our friend abdeldjalil : I'm against all the double names separated by a "-" in the tag "name:" but I'm okay to submit a request to the OSM Working Data Group to study this case.
Last time I was reading something about ISO2 and ISO3 concerning "naming", sorting and filtering.

Abdeldjalil, I contribute to name the places that I know more in arabic, don't worry I'm even okay to write the name of all the villages and POI's in japanese, this is not a problem.
I think that it's okay to name some places in arabic using the generic tag "name:" but other places and POI's doesn't actually have an "arabic" name but can be only transliterated into arabic.

Now, I have to add something that may be seem "bizarre" but, if one day, we have to push the OSM algerian map to be adopted as an OpenGov plateform (leaf) I'm sorry to say that everything must be written in arabic ... and here I agree with you.

Yes I contribute in arabic using "name:ar" but everywhere else I use latin ... may some OSM Contributors add "name:ar" to all the POI's we've created before :

1440673460-soummam.png

This is a "Kabyle" land and the name of every village is written in latin in the real world but I added "name:ar" may be "someone else" will take benefit of the arabic tagging. Why not ? I'm not against.

This Kabyle area has a "name:ar" and no "name:ber"

But I'm against naming like this : "الطاهير - Taher" or even more "الطاهير Taher" or tri-naming in arabic-dash-french-dash-berber.

Because if we consider OSM as a big database then name:fr=Taher is corresponding to name:ar=الطاهير and never a "mix-humburger" of names is corresponding to a single name written in an ISO standardized language.

To avoid what we call "War Map Edits", I was asking ... So what's the solution ?
an ar.openstreetmap.org like Wiki is doing ? Will you name all the chinese villages in arabic ?
A Leaf server hosted is Algeria ? A good Idea (the best) but who is gonna host it ? Algeria Telecom ? Not even in your dreams ! None is supporting the movement of Free Open Source Software here !

Yes I have already read this : http://blog.jochentopf.com/2012-06-24-c … guage.html

Edit August 27th, 2015 :

Signalisation routière bilingue (wiki fr) : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signalisa … e_bilingue
Bilingual sign (wiki en) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilingual_sign

... It is difficult enough to pre-render maps in several hundred different languages, but it is obviously not possible to pre-render maps in all the different language combinations a user might want. One obvious solution would be not to pre-render the maps but create them on-the-fly based on the users language choices. Or at least render the labels on the fly on a pre-rendered base map. I think we should seriously consider this option. The question becomes, of course, if it is technically feasible to do this quickly enough. But if it is at all possible to do this, I think it is the way to go....

Jochen Topf

I think, latin alphabet should be a fallback and the user must be free to render/filter/sort using a name:iso if he wants since there still a problem in displaying a "mixed lang. name" in some plateformes such as Android (square caracters).

In the future, to propote berber language over all the territories of Algeria, the administration will show the locations in tri lingual names. Do you imagine the length of "name:" tag ?
There will be even War Edits to have "name:" first name in arabic, then berber, then fr. Other contributor will come to revert them to : Berber, Arabic, then french. So the problem is not yet solved.

Have a nice day ... and fun on OSM wink
Salutations amicales.

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#18 2015-08-27 14:04:03

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

ButterflyofFire , levacher why ???? In tag name : , other  country use local name exemple middle east and tunisia in arabic,  russia in russian , china in chinese , but algeria why you using french ???????? French is not official language in algeria,  please use arabic in tag name: , in algeria. mad mad

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#19 2015-08-27 19:21:17

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

abdeldjalil wrote:

ButterflyofFire , levacher why ???? In tag name : , other  country use local name exemple middle east and tunisia in arabic,  russia in russian , china in chinese , but algeria why you using french ???????? French is not official language in algeria,  please use arabic in tag name: , in algeria. mad mad

May be Algeria is an exception wink ? Algeria is not a Middle Eastern Country wink It is North African and a World Centered country in the 2D Map. It is not our fault if there are only "latin alphabet" contributors in OSM DZ Map. We are doing our best to "name:ar" but we have a lot much work in drawing streets and pointing POI's then to name them. And as you noticed, even the administration is not naming 99% of the algerian streets (tertiary, residential, local) so we are naming them as we know them locally "Abrid n SONELGAZ" in kabyle or زريبة سونلغاز in arabic.

Salut.

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#20 2015-08-27 20:16:27

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

ButterflyOfFire_ wrote:
abdeldjalil wrote:

ButterflyofFire , levacher why ???? In tag name : , other  country use local name exemple middle east and tunisia in arabic,  russia in russian , china in chinese , but algeria why you using french ???????? French is not official language in algeria,  please use arabic in tag name: , in algeria. mad mad

May be Algeria is an exception wink ? Algeria is not a Middle Eastern Country wink It is North African and a World Centered country in the 2D Map. It is not our fault if there are only "latin alphabet" contributors in OSM DZ Map. We are doing our best to "name:ar" but we have a lot much work in drawing streets and pointing POI's then to name them. And as you noticed, even the administration is not naming 99% of the algerian streets (tertiary, residential, local) so we are naming them as we know them locally "Abrid n SONELGAZ" in kabyle or زريبة سونلغاز in arabic.

Salut.

But Tunisia is used again arabic name in tag "name:" not only middle east

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#21 2015-08-28 11:31:55

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

Hi,

Okay Abdeldjalil, as an OSM Contributor in Béjaïa, I'll try to revert the tag "name:" into arabic ... but I'll do it only for all what is inside Béjaïa administrative boundary.
But I wonder what will be the result in an exported map for OSMAnd+ or Skobbler Maps and Nav ... I hope that nothing will go wrong with the display of arabic caracters, because reverting again to latin will be a hard work to do. I don't know either if the "search field" will not be affected. Be sûre that none will gonna search a location in Béjaïa by typing it in arabic. I hope that all the POI's will be imported with the other "name:lang" tags elsewhere, the map will not be usefull for navgation on mobile devices unless it is a customised extract.

So, Béjaïa is under arabisation guys (Beta). Please don't revert. From now on I'll use "name:in arabic" in addition to latin caracters n "name:fr", "name:en", "name:kab", "loc_name".

Who is gonna help me ?

By the way I'll use :

Most of communal roads have no name and generally not standardised : "طريق بلدي رقم 99". In this case I'll use the local name "Abrid n Zountar" or "Avrid n Zountar" since "b" is pronounced "v" in kabyle language.
instead of Chemin de wilaya (CW) : Cannot use (طو) since طو is used for National Roads (Tariq Watani). In Tunisia they use "Tariq Jihawi" طج (RR Route Régionale). What do you expect us to put instead ?
instead of Route nationale (RN) : طو (Tariq Watani)
instead of (Autoroute) : طس (Tariq Sari3)

All this should be standardised in the Wiki :

The english project : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/En:W … ct_Algeria
In french : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:W … ct_Algeria
In arabic : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ar:W … ct_Algeria

By the way, I was preparing a draft wiki page for national roads in algeria ... I'll throw it away so ! huh !
Link : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User … %A9riennes

See ya !

Edit 28/08/2015 - 12:56 GMT+1 : I started over here = https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/36.6040/4.6463

Edit à 13:39 : It's amazing how arabic is rendered on the tiles ! WTF ! (Look at the tag "Ref" rendered in CW and in "Taw" on the National Road N26).

1440765516-sans-titre.png

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#22 2015-09-05 04:20:55

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

abdeldjalil wrote:

ButterflyofFire , levacher why ???? In tag name : , other  country use local name exemple middle east and tunisia in arabic,  russia in russian , china in chinese , but algeria why you using french ???????? French is not official language in algeria,  please use arabic in tag name: , in algeria. mad mad

OSM is not an algerian service, so keep your junk logic aND YOUR ARABIC johad for yourself, stop harassing me and commenting my work, you better immigrate to saudi arabia, you are obsessed or what?you never map, you just comment other mappers...you saudi harki
Tu me les casses toi et ton arabisation de boumedienne, you are worse then oqba! i will not surrender

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#23 2015-09-05 11:58:11

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

Just to address the last point - OSM is a service by everyone and for everyone.  As I said at the top of the thread, there's no need for the "name" tag to have the same language across a country, and no reason why the name has to be in a certain character set.

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#24 2015-09-05 14:06:07

numide
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Registered: 2015-08-27
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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

The arabic alphabet does not transcript the right pronunciation of the names..most of the names of cities are in amazigh language, the arabic language is official since 1962....Please Butterfly, do not change your mind or culture because abdmachin is harrassing you, he focuses on bejaia, he does not map, he just keeps changins our work and reverting the names. he thinks he is fighting against the french...french or arabic are both imported and imposed languages....
He keeps repeating tunisia, why not using amazigh as morrocco? abdmachin suffers from amazighophobia

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#25 2015-09-06 23:44:09

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Re: The use of the "name" tag across Algeria

I'm clearing this post.

Last edited by ButterflyOfFire_ (2015-09-08 10:12:09)

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