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muralito · 2014-12-04 19:25:25

ligfietser wrote:

Excuse me but I dont understand your question. If the type of the way is on the OSM map, you must enter it in the search too. For instance if you look for Via X on your Garmin you have to type in the search Via X. Searching for simply X does not find the streets in your Garmin. I dont understand what you mean by "Main".

It's a usability problem. The street can only be found if you search for complete name. The problem is that you don't always know the way qualifier ("St." "Av.", ...) or how the contributor wrote it in OSM, and in other languages like spanish the qualifier is before the name.

There is some work in progress to solve or avoid the problem in the following South America map. http://www.i-nis.com.ar/osm/garmin (scripts to make the map are GPL)

emmexx · 2014-12-04 21:36:02

Beddhist wrote:

He is using Main St as a hypothetical example. Translated it is Via Principale. In English we have road, avenue, crescent, lane and a few more. This is what he refers to as type. It seems common for Italians to know the name part, but not the type.

You are correct.
It's not only a problem of trying if a way is defined as street, road and so on. In Italy the common name tag value of OSM is of the form: type of the way / name / surname
e.g. Viale Dante Alighieri, Via George Washington, Piazza del Duomo. So in order to match a way you have to know in advance the type of the way (street, avenue...) the name and everything that is in the OSM name tag value in the correct order. That can be a daunting enterprise.

Beddhist wrote:

I believe the problem is with Garmin only searching from the beginning of the name string.

Here you are not correct. In my old Nuvi 205 if I use the Garmin maps I can enter Dante, Alighieri, George, Washington, Duomo and I get a list of results. If I do the same with an OSM map, 99% of the times I get No Matches Found.

Isn't it possible to create all the (reasonable) combinations of the parts of the name and add all of them to the index search?
For Via Dante Alighieri you would add:
Via Dante
Via Alighieri
Via Dante Alighieri
Dante
Alighieri
Dante Alighieri

Thank you
maxx

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emmexx · 2014-12-04 22:12:19

muralito wrote:

There is some work in progress to solve or avoid the problem in the following South America map. http://www.i-nis.com.ar/osm/garmin (scripts to make the map are GPL)

Thank you, I downloaded the source and will try to adapt it to the italian naming rules.

bye
maxx

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ligfietser · 2014-12-05 11:41:53

Thanks Maxx I understand the problem now. This index search problem is a longer existing mkgmap issue.
Popej just posted a possible fix to deal with this problem on the mkgmap dev list, so maybe this can be solved soon:
http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/multi-wo … l#a5826288

Sieds & Tamara · 2014-12-05 16:35:52

Hi,

Do you heave any idea when a new version of the map is available?

Cheers,

Sieds

Lambertus · 2014-12-05 20:07:56

The generic_new map is already updated, the other two are expected to come online in a day.

Edit: no, only the update for OFM lite is still running.

Last edited by Lambertus (2014-12-05 20:10:00)

Sieds & Tamara · 2014-12-06 10:51:41

Thanx for the good work!!

Skippern · 2014-12-07 13:12:00

ligfietser wrote:

Skippern wrote:
I have tried to relate this problem to mkgmap developers without success.
I can't find your question on http://www.mail-archive.com/mkgmap-dev@ … /info.html
Can you send me the link?

I wasn't able to post the question due to unstable internet connection and obscure links

Lambertus · 2014-12-07 18:30:02

We'll be happy to relay your question

Lambertus · 2014-12-10 10:08:37

I'm getting some questions about installing more then one custom map alongside each other on Windows (BaseCamp). I'm not too familiar with this process, so I'd like feedback on the workflow so I can update the wiki FAQ.

This is what I've done:
1) request a custom map using the website (OSM generic routable) and download the Windows installer.
2) install the custom map
3) run JaVaWa's GMTK
3.1) select the map named 'OSM generic routable' and goto menu 'Extra' -> 'Change map name and ID'
4) GMTK will show a form and the following values are changed:
4.1) Family ID: enter a unique number, e.g.: 2001
4.2) Name on computer: enter a good description of the map, e.g.: 'OSM Central America'
4.3) Name on device: enter a good description, e.g.: 'OSM Central America'
4.4) Folder name: enter a good (unique) folder name, e.g.: 'OSM Central America'
4.5) Click on the 'modify' button

For every new custom map the same sequence of events is performed, each time using a new unique ID and name.

This process seems straightforward enough to me. However, when I install the second custom map, the map installer will warn that there is already a map installed. This warning can safely be ignored but it is confusing to a lot of users. What can be done to prevent this warning?

ligfietser · 2014-12-10 13:30:27

I think the problem is that GMTK doesnt remove the map installer when updating the map data.
So there are two options, adjust GMTK or adjust the custom map procedure by letting the user enter a unique FID and name before generating the map. Maybe contact Javawa by pm to discuss this?

AmZaf · 2014-12-11 09:14:03

ligfietser wrote:

@Lambertus,
Latest map releases are routed through barriers like bollards, gates etc
This is probably caused by a mssing --link-pois-to-ways option in the mkgmap setting.
Can you check this and other options (see my mail)?
@AmZaf, I'm not sure unicode is supported by older devices, can anybody confirm this?

Is it possible for you to provide the maps in two encodings? This way you have maintained compatibility with older devices while the users who need Unicode maps can download them from here. Unicode support is a serious issue and affects the bulk of OSM data being developed in Asia. Imagine local street names in Arabic, Persian, Chinese, Korean, Japanese, ... Older and incompatible devices are unusable for these regions anyways.

popej · 2014-12-11 11:28:34

Free Unicode maps won't work in newer devices like Edge 1000, GPSMAP 64, some recent models of nuvi. It looks like Garmin decided, that all Unicode maps should be digitally signed, which can't be done with 3-rd party tools.

mueschel · 2014-12-18 21:41:01

Hi,
first of all: Thanks for the great maps!
I recently tried the "new style" on my Nüvi 1255. During daytime everything is very nice, but the night-mode looks ugly - there are many black areas along with even more almost white areas. Can I do something about this, maybe using a dedicated typ file?

Another remark: I'd appreciate a style with a few less details, e.g. I don't need every single house in an urban area rendered. This would help with older and slower devices like mine.

ligfietser · 2014-12-18 23:05:49

The night mode is totally undeveloped so any volunteers who want to improve this feel free to help.
You can edit the typ file with tools like typviewer and typwiz.
The typ file you can find in the metadata folder of the download link.
In order to change the typ file of the map on your device, you can use typchanger

Beddhist · 2014-12-19 09:31:52

Mueschel, just set your device to day mode only and it will be fine. You may want to turn down the brightness at night...

mueschel · 2014-12-20 11:50:06

typviewer seems to be a fairly easy tool to change colors. But, typchanger doesn't work at all. After adding the files and clicking 'change', it just displays 'Done', but there is absolutely no change made to the map file. Do you have any advice how to debug this or another tool to accomplish the task?

ligfietser · 2014-12-20 13:21:18

Dont know why it doesnt work, maybe contact Javawa or try Popej's gmaptool?

mueschel · 2014-12-20 16:26:41

Thanks, gmaptool works fine. I changed some of the colors for night mode. For sure the result is not perfect, e.g. I did not manage to remove the white outline of paths and unpaved roads in night mode - my device seems to ignore this setting. Anyways, the result seems much more pleasing than the default colors. I uploaded the changed typ-file in case anyone is interested: http://osm.mueschelsoft.de/24276.typ

uougaard · 2014-12-20 16:41:46

Great:

The issue I reported on 13th of November (http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopi … 74#p463274) regarding address (house number) searches seems to be solved. In new downloaded maps, the address search really finds the relevant house number in its place.

Thanks once more

emmexx · 2014-12-22 22:12:21

Lambertus wrote:

The generic_new map is already updated, the other two are expected to come online in a day.
Edit: no, only the update for OFM lite is still running.

Sorry if I go back to your post of 2 weeks ago.
I wonder if you were referring to a generic update of the maps or to an update to solve the problem I asked about in my post, that is searching addresses.
I tried Garmux, a script that creates maps using a search index that includes also the last word in the name tag and it works fine. The code is similar to http://www.i-nis.com.ar/osm/garmin.

Thank you
maxx

ligfietser · 2014-12-23 14:16:06

No Maxx that is still not implemented, although mkgmap developers are working on it as well (see this thread).
Lambertus was replying post #2280.

emmexx · 2014-12-27 11:47:11

I'm not sure if this kind of problem is supposed to be discussed in this thread, if I'm wrong suggest where to post it.
I downloaded the generic new file of Italy last week, gmapsupp.img and installed it on my garmin nuvi 205.
Yesterday I entered a destination for my wife. Unfortunately I didn't check the path created by the nuvi and after a few minutes she called me upset because the navigator sent her to the wrong highway.

At this Osrm link you can see the right track: http://osrm.at/atS
This is the track suggested by nuvi: http://osrm.at/atV

I tried the same start-destination track with different navigators and only the nuvi 205 gives the wrong result.
OSM data seem to be ok.

What happened?

Thank you
maxx

Beddhist · 2014-12-27 19:35:40

Looking at the OSM data I can't see any problem or any reason why any navigator should route you the long way. I have seen this kind of behaviour before and suspect it's a firmware bug in the Nuvi, especially since you say that others work ok.

First step: check that your firmware is up-to-date. You should have the latest version loaded.

Also, check that you don't have any other maps loaded covering the same area, e.g. Garmin CNNT. If you do have one, make sure it is unchecked (disabled) and if that is already the case you should disable it completely by renaming the map file and re-test.

Failing all that, you can try reporting this to Garmin, but since we are dealing with non-Garmin maps don't hold your breath.

Cheers,
Peter.

AlaskaDave · 2014-12-28 02:48:46

emmexx wrote:

I tried the same start-destination track with different navigators and only the nuvi 205 gives the wrong result.
OSM data seem to be ok.
What happened?
Thank you
maxx

Also, check to see if the settings on your Nuvi are preventing use of tollroads or other "avoidances" (U-turns, car pool lanes, etc.). I always un-check all of these in the routing profile on my Montana and then after the route is computed, check it carefully to see if there's something I want to avoid or want to use a different highway. I don't want the Montana to 'think" for me because it often makes bad decisions.

Cheers,

Dave

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