Users in Crimea

_sev · 2012-08-01 01:06:53

On 31 July 2012 01:24, Frederik Ramm <frederik@remote.org> wrote:
> Dear Eugene, Alex, and mappers in Ukraine and the Crimea,
Gentlemen, I replied publicly on the forums, but now I realised that the person who wrote to DWG was actually CC'ed on this mail. That is Alex <mrpsb@bk.ru>.

I performed a quick investigation, and was quite amazed, that the person is actually lives in Moscow, Russia.

Here is the chain:

o User 'Grav' publishes a request to send a crack, and puts on his e-mail: http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.p … post175187 The site is dedicated to aviation.

o His profile right on that site among other things has: Place of Living: Moscow (Местонахождение: Москва): http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/member.php?u=1160

o Right there we can see link to his site: http://npcspasop.ru/ where he is an admin, and acts under same nickname. The site is about rescue troops which use helicopters.

o The contact address published there is in Moscow too: http://www.npcspasop.ru/modules.php?nam … age&pid=12

o He posts that he found a nice project OpenStreetMap: http://npcspasop.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=544 This also explains his early edits which are in Moscow: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Vetrov/edits?page=13

o Judging by his posts, he was living in Russia at least in 2011: http://npcspasop.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=541 (there he encourages to fight with bribery of Russia politics)

o Additional search gives his full name, "Alex Grav" and once again his place of residence, Moscow. These days the page exists only in web archive: http://web.archive.org/web/200311121336 … es&page=13

Nick 'Vetrov' roughly could be translated as 'Windy one' which completes the puzzle.

This is quite unfortunate and unpleasant that you were fooled even with such basic information of who lives where and as such can judge the truth on the ground.

Eugene

Upliner · 2012-08-01 07:14:13

Kengaru, translated by _sev wrote:

I personally heard Ukrainian only on the third TV channel, and in rare documentaries in the school. And since those times everything stays as is. You are welcome to come and see.

I was in Crimea and can confirm that this is a lie. A lot of TV channels are in Ukrainian there, not just the third one.

Personally, I support reconsideration of the "Truth on the ground" rule. OSM usually have more info than there is on the ground -- post indexes and so on. Sometimes, building have two adresses, but there is only one of them "on the ground", but everybody who lives there know that it's dual-addressed. As mentioned by other participants of the discussion, in some countries there is a real mess with street signs and if we end up following them we'll get a really messy map.

Last edited by Upliner (2012-08-01 07:14:23)

Gyro · 2012-08-01 08:25:04

Upliner wrote:

Kengaru, translated by _sev wrote:
I personally heard Ukrainian only on the third TV channel, and in rare documentaries in the school. And since those times everything stays as is. You are welcome to come and see.
I was in Crimea and can confirm that this is a lie. A lot of TV channels are in Ukrainian there, not just the third one.

В советские времена было только три канала. Два московских и один киевский.
Третий канал использовался больше для пропоганды советского образа жизни и прославления компартии.
Все новые и интересные фильмы показывали на первом канале а третий был совсем скучный.

Last edited by Gyro (2012-08-01 08:37:05)

Upliner · 2012-08-01 08:32:09

Gyro wrote:

В советские времена было только три канала.

I just refute the "since those times everything stays as is" statement.

madeinussr · 2013-11-26 00:56:04

Мда... Захватывающее чтиво. Аж почти до двух ночи засиделся перечитывая - такой закрученный сюжет. Украинское сообщество, если вдруг действительно где-то кому-то понадобится мнение картографов, проживающих в Крыму, можете обращаться. Я за "букву закона".

andygol · 2013-11-26 09:07:41

Читали или нет, но начало срача обсуждения тут http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=12367

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