Preslovljavanje (Transliteration)

Мораш уобичајити да кад пустиш објави з анову верзију ставиш и линк за преузмање. Сморим се сваки пут тражећи уназад по теми. :slight_smile:

As mentioned, there were a lot of edits with the script outside Serbia. I have reverted many changesets that caused most serious damages (for example renaming the country Romania to cyrillic serbian) and also made edits to prevent international problems. However, there are still many small edits that needs to be corrected where name=cyrillic was made outside Serbia with the script. Please find below a list of objects that needs to be fixed. You can disregard the relations…fixed in the meanwhile (or in KiM)
Take the node/way ID and add it to
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?node=
to view it. I don’t care about changes in KiM…that’s your problem. But changes in Croatia, Hungary,…are wrong.
In JOSM go to then then select what it is (way, relation, node) and enter ID

The below was generated automated…so it could be that some id is wrong. I have tested some samples and all were valid

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THIS WILL BE FIXED


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Is there method to download all these object at once, not one by one?

I am unable to do this. You should be aware that the scripts running on a database are like a loaded revolver. You fire and don’t know that you have hit something far away. Let me check if I find a solution without asking the Data Working Group (something like the OSM police). But you can already start to fix some issues. At least it will shows your good will

It’s not the script. We use plugin in JOSM to edit names on objects and preselected database of objects that are supposed to be edited. And due to how JOSM plugins work, we cannot see object on map but just the table. If objects we are dealing with do not look like placed outside of Serbia we set names wrongly.

Не би требало да је проблем учитати све одједном (затворити елементе, пребацити у osm структуру, учитати у ЈОСМ, урадити update, и аутоматски пресловити на латиницу). Проблем је што се са тиме ништа не решава, бар не дугорочно. Ови објекти ће се и даље појављивати за пресловљавање. Можемо их означити да их не треба дирати али онда ће бити проблема са новокреираним у спорној области.

Једино решење које видим је да се направи “ужа” Србија и да њене границе буду “унутар” за довољно растојање да се не залази у суседне земље. Овиме бисмо имали непокривену нашу пограничну област што је безболније од тога да покривамо и комшијско.

Trebalo bi da iznađemo zašto se ti objekti uključuju ako stvarno jesu su van granica, možda one POLY datoteke nisu dovoljno precizne.

Jel neko već pogledo neki od gore navedenih problematičnih objekata? Dajte npr. id iz liste iznad nekog objekta blizu Hrvatske granice pa da pokušam da pogledam šta se dešava…

I have converted the OSM border to a POLY file and used this.

@mpele
Rather than changing the name for all objects loaded in JOSM, it would be more safe if the plugin only reads objects that were selected by the user before. With holding shift, people can select as many objects as they want.

Poly file koji se može skinuti sa geofabrik/cloudmate/… i sličnih stranica je prilagođena granica države, ali na taj način da je cijela država unutar tog poligona. RH granica ima prkeo 20k točaka, a croatia.poly ima 400-tinjak točaka. Razlog je sasvim jednostavan, cpu time. Prije sam testirao tih 400 i tih +20k točaka i razika je bila 30 minuta prema 6-12 sati. Nije točan omjer jer se više nesjećam, ali tako nekako je, uglavnom nije korisno kad se radi extract cjelog planeta na taj način.
Tako da svaki .poly od svake države je složen na taj način da što manjim djelom zahvaća susjedne države ali da čitava država bude okružena sa što manje točaka.
Mi u RH imamo 100-500 metara susjednih država.

Ako želite čisto područje države preporuka je sljedeća, preuzeti serbia.osm.bz2 i iz tog fajla izvući extract preko točne granice pretvorene u .poly

Pozdrav.

@hbogner
To upravo i radimo: krećemo od serbia.osm.bz2 i razbijamo na sitnije celine koristeći POLY datoteke koje smo sami napravili (ne sa Cloudmatea, već koristeći stvarne relacije okruga i getbound.pl skriptu). Negde nešto nije leglo najbolje izgleda…

Ja sam koristio osm2poly.pl
Prvo u joms povukao relacije granica, ocistio ih, provjerio, simplify & save.
I kasnije samo osm2poly.pl granica.osm

getbound.pl mi zvuci kao da povlaci granicu preko api-ja.

That is exactly way that plugin works. It even couldn’t be started if there is no selection.

@hbogner, хвала на разувевању на наше проблеме. Хвала што не правите тензије.

Има ли неког помака у истрази где је проблем? Сада бих и могао да одвојим мало времена да помогнем?

Evo jedan clue: lektura za Sremski okrug je sadržala žel. stanicu Tovarnik (i deo pruge) koji su u Hrvatskoj…

Evo sam možda i provalio: pruga i granična linija dele čvor, što možda ne bi trebalo, odlepiću ih…

Што се мене тиче заврио сам са транслитерацијом. Потроших силно време да средим називе у ужичком крају а видим сад неко враћа на латиницу. Немам времена ни воље да радим ствари узалуд.

@Pedja: Zamolio bi te da ili podelis sa nama jedan objekat koji je neko preimenovao, ili da sam utvrdis ime / nalog individue koje menja naziv nazad na latinicu.

@Pedja
Na par primera oko Užica koliko sam pogledao, stvar je u tome da je Tomas odradio revert tvojih celih izmena koje su uključivale (nenamerne) izmene objekata koji su bili van naših granica, tako da su željene izmene postala kolateralna šteta. :frowning:

Moraš ga razumeti, čovek nema vremena da selektivno juri i vraća samo upitne objekte, niti treba da se bavi ovime. Više puta ti je skrenuta pažnja da to sam odradiš, tako da nema mesta za ljutnju.

Сви моји покушаји да пронађем неки објекат ван наших граница у припремљеним фајловима није уродио плодом. Једино што ми пада на памет је да су грешке настале у доба пре него што смо Србију делили на округе, тј. када се радило са Геофабриковим границама Србије.

Може ли се ући у трага када су проблематичне измене извршене?

Па прегледао сам онај списак и изменио што није било добро.

Када се покређе ЈОСМ приказује ово у логу:

Silent shortcut conflict: ‘edit:launchtageditor’ moved by ‘edit:launchserbiantransliterator’ to ‘Ctrl+Alt+F1’.

Oба плагина покушавају да се региструју за исту комбинацију тастера, па једном бива додељена друга.