Preslovljavanje (Transliteration)

Obradio sam juznobacki okrug, a tek kasnije sam skontao da ono sto je bilo u fajlovima za lekturu nije bas sve u Srbiji…
Kako onda treba oznaciti granicu Srbije i Hrvatske? Nisam primetio da ima 2 granice pa jedna da je na srpskom a druga na hrvatskom…
Koliko je ta granica uopste precizna? Na 90% duzine ide vise na levu obalu Dunava, i skoro nigde ne zalazi na desnu. Znam da ima dosta pogranicnih pitanja koja nisu resena izmadju drzava, ali deluje mi da smo zakinuti vise nego sto se moze tolerisati…
Ovo poslednje resenje u Osmosisu mi trenutno deluje najbolje.

Jos nesto. Kada povecam (juznobacki okrug) nazivi sela su cirilicka, a kada smanjim, postanu latinicka? Jel to mozda razlicita ucestalost renderovanja?

Sta je sa tagovima official_name, addr:street i slicnima? I njih bi trebalo srediti.

I transliterator bi mogao da bude na cirilici, da ima izbor jezika (pisma) ili mozda da je posebna verzija…
Ovaj expert mod mogu samo jednom da selektujem, posle se zapuca?

Please be more careful! Renaming the country Romania to cyrillic Serbian is a serious problem.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/90689
same with regions here
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1426985

If you are not able to use the script, stop it.

@Pedja: Izvini prijatelju, ali mi nije jasno kako si uspeo da preimenujes celu oblast u Madjarskoj, i celu granicu Rumunije na cirilicu?

Da budem sasvim iskren, trenutno sam misljenja da si koristio plugin i da si samo opalio po automatskom preslovljanju i da si gurnuo promene bez provere na server.

Ono, sto po meni, cini stvar jos gorom je to sto je mpele napravio sistem po kome moze da se proveri sta je to sto se menja duplim klikom tamo na odredjeno polje.

Ovakve greske su prilicno osnovne, i kao takve narusavaju ugled srpske zajednice na OSM-u…

Zamolio bih te da ove greske prepravis u najkracem mogucem roku.

U prinicpu ista pravila koja važe za name tagove treba da važe i za sve ostale tagove gde se upisuje tekst. No, malo je veliki zalogaj da se sad sve to radi odjednom. Prioritet su name tagovi jer se to vidi na mapi.

Jedan od predloga u vezi plagina je bio da se omogući da korsinik može sam da definiše koje tagove hoće da edituje. Nadam se a će to nekom prilikom biti omogućeno, tada ćemo moći da sređujemo i druge tagove osim name.

I will try to fix things that were wrongly changed as the originators don’t care. It is not just Pedja. The Danube (river relation) has been renamed to Дунав from Germany to Ukraine, Croatia was renamed to cyrllic as well (fixed already) and many smaller changes on the wrong side of a border. I will revert (undo) the complete changeset if it contains buggy edits as I will not check thousands of single nodes.

I think problem is that manz objects were not split at border, so map database sees them as single long object. Any change on such object is applied to whole it’s length, not just up to border.

Is there some tool that could split all objects crossing border line?

Наравно да нисам све селектовао па пресловио аутоматски послао. Пресловљавање радим пажљиво и прегледам сваки слог пре слања. Нико није рекао да база садржи административне објекте других држава или објекте које не смем да пресловљавам па на то нисам ни обраћао пажњу све док није речено за границе. Како ја да претпоставим да објекат који се зове Vest није у Србији? На мапи погледам објекте који су ми сумњиви, а овај ми ни почему није изгледао да треба да се проверава.

Неколико пута сам поставио питања у вези са тим границама али се нико није нашао да ми појасни о чему се ради.

in JOSM: File → Download Object → change to relation, enter ID 1741311
So you can see the border and should know, which objects are difficult

Све ово су дечје болести које треба да прелeжимо што безболније. Вероватно сте приметили да су релације издвојене у посебне фајлове па ће и грешака бити мање - бар ће бити безопасније. Можда и да "сузимо границе " пограничних округа да не би залазили код комшија?

Поставио сам нову верзију плагина која садржи велике измене. Од видљивих новости је могућност да се прате додатни тагови по жељи - учитавају се и ажурирају на логичан начин, али аутоматизација не утиче на њих нити они на аутоматизацију. Демонстрације ради поставио сам да се прате тагови: highway, note и fixme . Да би се то променило само допишите шта још желите.

Мораш уобичајити да кад пустиш објави з анову верзију ставиш и линк за преузмање. Сморим се сваки пут тражећи уназад по теми. :slight_smile:

As mentioned, there were a lot of edits with the script outside Serbia. I have reverted many changesets that caused most serious damages (for example renaming the country Romania to cyrillic serbian) and also made edits to prevent international problems. However, there are still many small edits that needs to be corrected where name=cyrillic was made outside Serbia with the script. Please find below a list of objects that needs to be fixed. You can disregard the relations…fixed in the meanwhile (or in KiM)
Take the node/way ID and add it to
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?node=
to view it. I don’t care about changes in KiM…that’s your problem. But changes in Croatia, Hungary,…are wrong.
In JOSM go to then then select what it is (way, relation, node) and enter ID

The below was generated automated…so it could be that some id is wrong. I have tested some samples and all were valid

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THIS WILL BE FIXED


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Is there method to download all these object at once, not one by one?

I am unable to do this. You should be aware that the scripts running on a database are like a loaded revolver. You fire and don’t know that you have hit something far away. Let me check if I find a solution without asking the Data Working Group (something like the OSM police). But you can already start to fix some issues. At least it will shows your good will

It’s not the script. We use plugin in JOSM to edit names on objects and preselected database of objects that are supposed to be edited. And due to how JOSM plugins work, we cannot see object on map but just the table. If objects we are dealing with do not look like placed outside of Serbia we set names wrongly.

Не би требало да је проблем учитати све одједном (затворити елементе, пребацити у osm структуру, учитати у ЈОСМ, урадити update, и аутоматски пресловити на латиницу). Проблем је што се са тиме ништа не решава, бар не дугорочно. Ови објекти ће се и даље појављивати за пресловљавање. Можемо их означити да их не треба дирати али онда ће бити проблема са новокреираним у спорној области.

Једино решење које видим је да се направи “ужа” Србија и да њене границе буду “унутар” за довољно растојање да се не залази у суседне земље. Овиме бисмо имали непокривену нашу пограничну област што је безболније од тога да покривамо и комшијско.

Trebalo bi da iznađemo zašto se ti objekti uključuju ako stvarno jesu su van granica, možda one POLY datoteke nisu dovoljno precizne.

Jel neko već pogledo neki od gore navedenih problematičnih objekata? Dajte npr. id iz liste iznad nekog objekta blizu Hrvatske granice pa da pokušam da pogledam šta se dešava…

I have converted the OSM border to a POLY file and used this.

@mpele
Rather than changing the name for all objects loaded in JOSM, it would be more safe if the plugin only reads objects that were selected by the user before. With holding shift, people can select as many objects as they want.

Poly file koji se može skinuti sa geofabrik/cloudmate/… i sličnih stranica je prilagođena granica države, ali na taj način da je cijela država unutar tog poligona. RH granica ima prkeo 20k točaka, a croatia.poly ima 400-tinjak točaka. Razlog je sasvim jednostavan, cpu time. Prije sam testirao tih 400 i tih +20k točaka i razika je bila 30 minuta prema 6-12 sati. Nije točan omjer jer se više nesjećam, ali tako nekako je, uglavnom nije korisno kad se radi extract cjelog planeta na taj način.
Tako da svaki .poly od svake države je složen na taj način da što manjim djelom zahvaća susjedne države ali da čitava država bude okružena sa što manje točaka.
Mi u RH imamo 100-500 metara susjednih država.

Ako želite čisto područje države preporuka je sljedeća, preuzeti serbia.osm.bz2 i iz tog fajla izvući extract preko točne granice pretvorene u .poly

Pozdrav.