I personally would suggest to get in touch with other communities like Open Source/Open Data/Wikpedia etc to set up one non profit entity. It is probably hard to fullfil the legal obligations for such an entity with only the OSM community. In Germany the FOSSGIS (which stands for Free and Open Source Software for GIS) is acting on behalf of OSM Germany. Also Wikimedia, which operates a non profit company here, ensures that we get some funds from the multi million Wikipedia funds. Last year 5,000 for aerial images, this year 20,000 for local language maps etc.
Rather than making me a Goethe, I would prefer a recommendation for a book like “Serbian cyrillic for dummies”
Што се тиче ортофото снимака било би лепо када би смо могли да користимо барем локалне GIS изворе, скоро сваки град их данас има (нпр. један од њих http://gis.ni.rs/ ) али мислим да је проблем у законској регулативи, ове институције и неби имале ништа против, питање је под којим условима их је могуће користити.
we got permission to use the Subotica GIS http://www.suboticagis.rs/
It is worth to ask. I was in touch with a teacher at the University Niš and he wanted to ask because he was using the Niš GIS and OSM at the university.
Here he is http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/djorke
His name is Milan.
But I am not sure if he has asked and what the outcome was.
There are several public GIS across Serbia like here http://gis.kragujevac.org.rs/ There was a EU funding for it. As far as I know one condition was to made the results public. That would explain why these websites exist. But I am not sure how far this “public” goes.
Since i just like to map and really don´t have a real technical clue, is there a way to get the GIS data (which we clearly may use) as a background in JOSM?
yes, we only need the WMS adress then you can add it like Bing, Landsat etc. It is also possible to add scanned maps or orthophotos in the background with an own WMS. If some people follow the “local name” thread here in the forum and set up an own mapserver (which can be uses as WMS), it is not a big deal to use it for JOSM and provide the resource to other mappers. It does not matter if it is a 1MB map or hundreds orthophotos with xx GB forming a mosaic.
That would be nice, but I haven’t seen publicly available api-s for this maps, so I don’t know how we can use this resources directly without a little bit of reverse engineering.
Pomenuli smo puteve, i evo nekih mapa koje mogu poslužiti kao referenca mapa mreže magistralinih i regionalnih puteva u srbiji i isto to u pdf varijanti sa sajta putevi srbije, takođe koristan izvor sa wikipedije Датотека:Мрежа Државних путева I реда у Србији - Highway Network in Serbia.jpg gde su naznačene i planirane trase. Ali primetio sam da postoje nedoslednosti na ovim mapama i većina izvora koje sam ja uspeo da nađem nije dovoljno detaljna ili podatci nisu ažurirani, npr. kada su evropski putevi u pitanju http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_E-road_network na mapi koja je zvanična na sajtu puteva srbije put E771 ide od rumunske granice preko niša i kosova a na wiki stranici piše da ide samo do niša, onda na većini ovih mapa je skoro nemoguće proceniti gde neki putevi počinju gde prolaze i gde se završavaju, primer M25 dali ide kroz centa niša ili obilaznicom itd. sve su to sitnice oko kojih sam se dvoumio kako mapirati.
Are you talking about just Subotica or any GIS? Because I don’t see why we would have permission to use any GIS data?
Most exact way of using it:
-Look for the GIS you want to transfer to JOSM
-fullscreen mode is recommended
-press “PrntScrn (PrintScreen)”
-open up any image editing software, e. g. Windows Paint if you don’t have any better (…IrfanView etc.)
-paste
-crop to your needs, then save as JPG
-upload at Geothings MapWarper http://warper.geothings.net/ (you’ll need an account first)
-rectify your map by adding at least 3 control points to the uploaded map and in the OSM map on the right
-when finished, click “WARP!”, check the map for correct position in the right window (overlay)
-in the “Export” tab, right-click on “WMS link suitable for JOSM”, then copy the link address
-in JOSM, go to Settings/WMS-TMS/WMS, click “+” to add another layer, name it, then paste the link in the upper link window in the WMS tab, then press “check layers”
-when the layers are downloaded from the server, open up in the main(middle) window by clicking on the “+”
-click on the first layer, but not on the “original” layer; the link to the layer will appear in the lower link window
-click OK, then you can start using it in JOSM as a layer via the “Background” menu
Senta does not have these maps in an digitised form. We have organised a scan of a map, added the map to an UNM Mapserver and have used it the background of JOSM (like Bing). Maps for Vrsac you can find here http://www.vrsac.com/active/sr-latin/home/preporucujemo/generalni_plan.html
Such maps you can find on many city homepages across Serbia. Just visit the local cadastral office and ask if they are fine with the usage. It think they are ok because in Vrsac they said that they are not sure why I am asking for some approval in written form. They think that if it is on the internet, they allow it everyone automatically. But the presentation I made and the permission from Subotica was interessting for them and convinced them to give me something in writting.
I guess persons you talked to are not well informed. Cadastar maps of Serbia are available only if you pay, and cost is about 500 EUR per sheet.
I agree that such maps should be freely available as they are all created using our tax money, but it is not the case. Using them without proper approval is illegal.
cirko, do you have legal rights to upload all those orto-photo images at Geothings MapWarper? Maps you placed there are from RGZ and it they surely cannot be used in manner you do. And you did not georeference them properly! Why are you doing this? It is illegal, it is not allowed by OSM and you produce false data into map. No one can benefit from that!
The maps on Vrsac’s homepage are not cadastral maps, at least not in this resolution. Regarding Subotica and Senta, we have proper approval
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Would appreciate if you would be a bit more careful with words like “illegal”
