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#1 2007-11-09 00:29:01

dega
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Registered: 2007-11-09
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Best way for cycleways

I'm new to OSM and I'm confused.
It seems there are many ways to map  cycleway in streets. Here are some approaches I have seen.

1) Define a way parallel to the street and define "highway=cycleway". We should not define the name since it interferes with the name defined in the street way. But maplint do not like unnamed highways.

2) Add the "cycleway" key to the street way. That's neater but it seems there is no way to display the cycleways with a different color.

3) I even read about a "bicycle=yes" attribute.

What is the best approach?
Please provide coordinates of a model entry.

Thanks

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#2 2007-11-09 14:18:44

Lambertus
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From: Apeldoorn (NL)
Registered: 2007-03-17
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Re: Best way for cycleways

dega wrote:

I'm new to OSM and I'm confused.
It seems there are many ways to map  cycleway in streets. Here are some approaches I have seen.

1) Define a way parallel to the street and define "highway=cycleway". We should not define the name since it interferes with the name defined in the street way. But maplint do not like unnamed highways.

2) Add the "cycleway" key to the street way. That's neater but it seems there is no way to display the cycleways with a different color.

3) I even read about a "bicycle=yes" attribute.

What is the best approach?
Please provide coordinates of a model entry.

Thanks

I will give you vision on this (there are many others though as you already found out):
First, do not decide what to (and how to) map stuff based on how it looks in a certain map (mapnik or osmarender, or any other).  Map stuff as it physically is, then adapt the renderers to render the images properly is the consensus about this.

As for mapping cycleways I have two rules: If a cycleway is physically detached (i.e. separated by a grass strip, a wall, trees, etc.) from the adjacent way, I add a separate way with 'highway=cycleway', others might tag it as 'cycleway=track'. If the cycleway is part of the way (e.g. a different colored surface on the road, dividing lines, etc), I map it as 'cycleway=lane'.

You can find lots of cycleways in Apeldoorn (The Netherlands), just scroll around....


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#3 2007-12-09 16:14:26

Hugo_H
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Re: Best way for cycleways

I have followed this approach as well, but come now to a point where I might change my view.  In the mapping features it states that for highway=cycleway that names are currently not rendered. For cycleways that is not required as the  "main" road has the same name and that is currently rendered.

A logical consequence is then: if there is a highway=... name=xxxx and the name=xxx holds for the highway=cycleway as well, use the tag cycleway=track.  Only for cycleways without a related main road, use the tag highway is cycleway.


Mapping tool: Garmin HCx, Nikon Coolpix L3

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#4 2007-12-10 13:00:42

Lambertus
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Re: Best way for cycleways

Hugo_H wrote:

A logical consequence is then: if there is a highway=... name=xxxx and the name=xxx holds for the highway=cycleway as well, use the tag cycleway=track.  Only for cycleways without a related main road, use the tag highway is cycleway.

Seems logical to me. I think I'll have to do some remapping...


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#5 2007-12-13 21:43:14

Hugo_H
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Re: Best way for cycleways

Lambertus,
Sorry that it requires redo. The Apeldoorn environment is one of the best for cyclist as far as i have seen so far.
All,
I am working around Heemstede and there are quite some cycleways which are tracks (cycleway=track), but 2 ways for cyclists. I think that the value: opposite_track can be used. Are there situations known where that leads to an ambiguous situation? This what I would like to model (Dutch situation),

_____________________
           <====
   highway= secondary/primary/etc.
           =====>
_____________________
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
_______________________
          <=====
cycleway=opposite_track
          ======>
_______________________


Mapping tool: Garmin HCx, Nikon Coolpix L3

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#6 2007-12-13 23:10:09

Lambertus
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Re: Best way for cycleways

I like to think that highway=cycleways in general allow traffic to flow in both directions. Where this is not the case I add oneway = yes

Also, a cycleway=track is generally considered oneway so a second tag has indeed to be added when cyclists are allowed to cycle in both directions. One can do that with cycleway=opposite_track as you describe above, or perhaps using oneway=no.


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#7 2007-12-20 17:11:56

emj
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Registered: 2006-06-18
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Re: Best way for cycleways

This is a good post.. ;-) I wonder why I learn more from discussion than from reading the docs at wiki.openstreetmap.org...

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