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#1 2010-11-03 17:54:28

stephan75
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"free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

The company www.mapfactor.com offers different professional navigation solutions .

Now there is a free version of  their program Navigator 10 for windows and WindowsMobile that is said to use OSM data and maps.

Anyone already tested these apps? what about turn restrictions?


(PS: Crossposting already in the german subforum)

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#2 2010-11-12 12:05:05

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

Simple turn restrictions should be integrated in the latest data set. By simple I mean "way-from, node-via, way-to". Thanks for asking.

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#3 2010-11-16 22:10:50

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

No comments? Did anybody try it? Or are there any download problems from http://navigatorfree.mapfactor.com/?

Navigator FREE is identical to commercially available Navigator 10, but instead of TeleAtlas map data the free version is provided with your OpenStreetMap data, which you are surely proud of. The installation is in two steps: first you download SetupUtility and then you install PC or PDA version and download maps of countries of your selection. After installation you can use Navigator FREE offline and there is no need for further connectivity.

In Czech Republic the users were quite excited so I am wondering why there are no comments "from the world" wink. The conversion algorithms are still in progress (and due to OSM nature probably always will be), but without feedback it is difficult to steer/fix/improve it.
So thanks in advance for _any_ comments
   md/mapfactor

p.s. converted is the whole Europe and many other countries, till the end of this year it will be hopefully whole planet ...

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#4 2010-11-17 18:22:50

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

mapfactor wrote:

In Czech Republic the users were quite excited  ...

After have installed the windows version on my PC I am excited, too !!! Because all the "framework" of your Navigator10 really seems to be very professional. For example to enter the target address: just type the firts characters of any place name and then all possible street names works fantastic because of the realtime search! Very nice!

And turn restrictions really seem to be handled correct.

I will keep on testing your Software on Windows and if I manage to install it on my PDA. More feedback will follow ...

Stephan

PS: I am not realted to mapfactor company in any way so don't think I am giving here any promotion or something like that. Anyone who has read my post here and there can see that I am just affiliated to any good routing solution with OSM based data. Unfortunately there ist not so much progress with Gosmore, and Navit isn't easy to configure. So I am quite happy to have discovered the frre version of mapfactor's Navigator.

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#5 2010-11-17 18:59:41

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

If they do a Linux version, I'd be happy to test it.The only windows in this house are glass ones smile


Richard.

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#6 2010-11-18 09:43:11

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

richardwest wrote:

If they do a Linux version, I'd be happy to test it.The only windows in this house are glass ones smile

Some people used older Navigator 8 under Wine so that could be option also for Navigator FREE:
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.p … owAll=true
http://www.micropctalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4828
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyGHaSoZ … re=related

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#7 2010-11-18 19:04:32

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

Now I managed to install Navigator10 Free on my PDA, this was relatively easy by downloading the cab-file and map-data to a folder on my desktop PC via the setup installer.

Serching for Towns, Places and streets is very very fine!!!

On an eten glofiish M800 all went fine and GPS fix is found at COM5 with 57600 Baud by the automatic GPS port search routine.

But on my PDA with WindowsMobile2003 normally the GPS Signal comes via COM1: at 4800 Baud (e.g. NaviPOWM is working with these parameters). The search function does not find it. Even manual tuning to COM1 or COM3 at 4800 Baud doesn't work.

So is there any other user with a Windows mobile device like Yakumo Delta 300 also named Medion MD95000 who can try to install and find the GPS signal?

Or any other device with success?

Stephan

EDIT: After several tries he found the GPS at "Serial Cable on SP2" ... very funny because it is really COM1: ... But now it seems to work !!! :-)

Last edited by stephan75 (2010-11-18 19:41:01)

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#8 2010-11-19 00:03:55

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

mapfactor wrote:
richardwest wrote:

If they do a Linux version, I'd be happy to test it.The only windows in this house are glass ones smile

Some people used older Navigator 8 under Wine so that could be option also for Navigator FREE:
http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.p … owAll=true
http://www.micropctalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4828
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyGHaSoZ … re=related

Worth a try but unfortunately didn't work for me, it downloaded the files and then just hung. It may be the version of wine that I have but I have too many things going on at the moment to try another distro with a different version. Do you have any plans for a linux version in the future?


Richard.

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#9 2010-11-19 09:54:19

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

I am using mapfactor navigator free on ubuntu 10.04 with wine 1.2 without problem.

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#10 2010-11-19 16:11:40

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

Hello mapfactor,  (by the way, do you have a name?)

I created a page for Navigator Free in the OSM wiki:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapF … gator_Free

Please have a review, especially at the used template http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Software2 where you can describe all relevant features of each software in the wiki.

Maybe NavigatorFree is then listed on the other overviw pages like

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Rout … ineRouters
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Software/Desktop
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile

automaticaly.

Another topic: Does mapfactor allow us to publish screenshots in the OSM wiki? would be very nice ...

Last edited by stephan75 (2010-11-19 16:19:13)

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#11 2010-11-19 16:50:32

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

Yes, sure, please feel free to publish screenshots from NavigatorFREE smile
thank you
   Martin/md/mapfactor

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#12 2010-11-25 09:47:05

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

From discussion in German forum (which I am unfortunately not able to fully follow) ... there was/is an issue related to address search. MapFactor Navigator search is based on administrative levels, so standard search is
1) select country
2) select city/town/village (narrow search by typing the begin of the word)
3) select street
This is an ideal pass. In many cases there is step 2b, if there is more than one town of the same name, or 3b if there are more streets of the same name in the city.

The question is what OSM admin_level should be used in step 2. This is probably country specific - for example
in Czech Republic for step 2 are used admin_level = 7 (district), 8 (city) and 10 (part of city)
[it is rather exception, because the data are probably imported and make sense for the whole country].
What admin_level search would you expect in Germany?

There are many countries (Canada for example) where basically NO admin areas are available sad. For this reason we also added search in "nearby city" (defined by node 'place'). This may add to confusion in countries, where the administrative hierarchy is well defined. Should that be removed? Note, that this "near rule" does not apply for POIs which are completely based on admin areas only (in current version 10.1.20, it may change in the future).

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#13 2010-11-25 17:08:21

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

@mapfactor:

to get an overview of used boundary lines and relations you can have a look at tools.geofabrik.de -> OSM-Inspector -> View: Boundaries

Unfortunately this view of the inspector is currently only available for Europe.

There you can see which country and all structures down the hierarchy are used and covered for each country. Try unchecking the checkboxes for each level when you zoomed in enough. (but now I see that you cannot display levels > 4 in detail here ...)

Can this help?

About the needed admin level for the search funtion I would suggest to set the level where the name of a town or a place is the same when you choose the postal address.

But to find this out, we need some examples about the right level and information whether this level is completed in all wanted countries.

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#14 2010-11-26 06:21:27

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

Hi! Anybody there were can help me find philippines map for free navigator 10

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#15 2010-11-26 09:54:56

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

lupen22263 wrote:

Hi! Anybody there were can help me find philippines map for free navigator 10

Processing of relation 443174 ('philippines_osm') from planet101103.osm failed due to invalid boundary polygon/multipolygon. I will have a look at details what exactly went wrong ...

Well, http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/443174 does not look much like polygon sad

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#16 2010-11-30 19:14:14

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

lupen22263 wrote:

Hi! Anybody there were can help me find philippines map for free navigator 10

The border was bad, so I used only bounding rectangle (degbox=115.803658,5.105901,127.223494,19.272269). You should see the data tomorrow, after night sync of servers. Please, let me know, if there is any problem ... regards Martin

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#17 2010-12-05 21:57:08

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

I tried this application and at first it seemed to be like exactly where I was looking for: an free application with free maps to use in our RV to navigate through Europe and find camping sites.
Unfortunately the poi of camping sites (or caravan sites) are not shown and my own set of poi can not be imported.
At the moment the application won't even start, there seems to be an problem with the france map. I can not uninstall this map by deselecting it in the set up program.
Is there an application to build you own maps, with poi sets, from osm files?

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#18 2010-12-06 06:49:47

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

ceedebee wrote:

Unfortunately the poi of camping sites (or caravan sites) are not shown and my own set of poi can not be imported.

Maybe there is still a conceptual issue about all kinds of POI that are within the OSM data and how they are handeled and displayed in mapfactor Navigator free:

At the moment the app only can display POIs that consist of one single node in the OSM data. When a POI or amenity is an area or a building, it is NOT displayed and not found by the function "show nearest POI"

So we have to ask mapfactor crew whether there is any progress to define a point as a center of an area or building like all the other OSM editors and renderers do to display an icon for an area POI. Can we give more help to mapfactor?

Maybe this is why some camping sites are not displayed and found?

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#19 2010-12-06 13:42:53

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

There are two issues:
1) note from Stephan is related to discussion on German forum, that currently only nodes are used for POIs, and the plan is to extend it for ways/relations (to use the center of mass)
2) I checked what tag is the camping/caravan site and you probably mean tourism='camp_site' and 'caravan_site' --- they were not converted yet.
The second issue was trivial, so data from planet101201 should already contain these tags.
p.s. it is always very helpful if you can give me some example(s)), thanks

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#20 2010-12-06 19:50:49

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

Because of the issue of the application not starting I can't find an example.
Can you tell me how to update the maps? The update application doesn't update this maps for me.
I added an caravan_site (as a single node) at my home town, it was not visible in the map 201011230.

an example:
http://osm.org/go/0GXPQKuIN--

Last edited by ceedebee (2010-12-06 20:16:01)

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#21 2010-12-07 09:27:22

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

ceedebee wrote:

Because of the issue of the application not starting I can't find an example.
Can you tell me how to update the maps? The update application doesn't update this maps for me.

Can you send me your navigator.log.txt file? Do you use PC, PDA or PND version? It is possible that download of the MCA file was not complete and it is necessary to delete it and start download again. Next version of Setup Utility should be more strict and verify downloaded data.

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#22 2010-12-07 20:23:46

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

The log file is send. By deleting the mca file of France and reloading it the problem is solved.
Thanks for the info.
An other request; it would be nice to have the possibility to change the style of the map (colors etc.)

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#23 2010-12-08 12:03:03

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

ceedebee wrote:

it would be nice to have the possibility to change the style of the map (colors etc.)

There are actually several map schemes prepared - you can change them by Menu > Settings > Application Settings > Map colour schemes > Day mode United Kingdom, for example. To create your own it is also possible but not trivial ...

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#24 2010-12-08 20:25:12

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

Regarding the style of the map  I was referring to a mapnik or cyclemap like style. 
The on-line maps of OSM are very nice rendered.

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#25 2010-12-09 06:30:39

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Re: "free" Navigator 10 by mapfactor.com ... uses OSM data

Hi, I just got Navigator Free installed. Really neat, just what I was looking for!
However, I didn't see an option for New Jersey. It seems to have about 45 states. Would it be possible to enable the others?
Also, have you considered making the conversion tool available (either to by downloading the tool or by uploading osm files to a web page)?
Thanks a ton!

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