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#1 2019-01-10 15:56:06

henke54
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amenity=community_centre

according this ;

Community centres are public locations where members of a community tend to gather for group activities, social support, informal and formal meetings, public information, events and festivities, and other purposes.

but... there is also assembly hall and function hall and reception hall and banquet hall ...
how to tag then a private 'function hall' (=feestzaal in Dutch language) ? roll

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#2 2019-01-10 16:08:44

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Re: amenity=community_centre

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#3 2019-01-10 16:32:13

henke54
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Re: amenity=community_centre

muralito wrote:

confusing ... isn't it ? Because 'events' could happen everywhere, even on a meadow tongue ...  Wouldn't it be better to add at Tag:amenity=community_centre the possibilty for example ;
amenity=community_centre
+ community_centre= *  .... ( where * =  village_hall or church_hall or assembly_room or meeting_house or conference hall or reception_hall/banquet_hall or .... ?  wink

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#4 2019-01-10 16:39:42

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Re: amenity=community_centre

henke54 wrote:

confusing ... isn't it ? Because 'events' could happen everywhere, even on a meadow

Not really

henke54 wrote:

Wouldn't it be better to add at Tag:amenity=community_centre the possibilty for example ;
amenity=community_centre
+ community_centre= *  .... ( where * =  village_hall or church_hall or assembly_room or meeting_house or conference hall or reception_hall/banquet_hall or .... ?

No, it wouldn't make sense to tag lots of things that are not community centres as community centres.  Also, your wikipedia links aren't relevant to OSM at all.

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#5 2019-01-10 16:49:58

henke54
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Re: amenity=community_centre

SomeoneElse wrote:
henke54 wrote:

confusing ... isn't it ? Because 'events' could happen everywhere, even on a meadow

Not really

What is then the difference in the (OSM) definition between a community centre and a events venue ??? roll

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#6 2019-01-10 16:55:36

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Re: amenity=community_centre

henke54 wrote:

What is then the difference in the (OSM) definition between a community centre and a events venue ??? roll

An amenity=community_centre is usually publically funded or receives subsidies from the local municipality, and likely freely accessible, although maybe also charging money for some types of events. An amenity=events_venue is usually a commercial entity, charging money for all of its use and making profit of it.

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#7 2019-01-10 17:01:25

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Re: amenity=community_centre

henke54 wrote:

What is then the difference in the (OSM) definition between a community centre and a events venue ?

Er - the difference between the two OSM wiki pages that you've just quoted?  There's a big difference between "public locations where members of a community tend to gather for group activities" and "A stand-alone facility, used to hosting a variety of events, such as formal dinners, dinner-dances, weddings or other celebrations".

By the way, I am finding it difficult to tell whether you're asking genuine questions here or engaging in a bit of light online trolling (the whatboutery, random quoting, links to non-OSM sites and excess smilies would suggest the latter, but hopefully it's just a location/culture difference that's causing me to think that).

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#8 2019-01-10 17:06:13

henke54
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Re: amenity=community_centre

mboeringa wrote:
henke54 wrote:

What is then the difference in the (OSM) definition between a community centre and a events venue ??? roll

An amenity=community_centre is usually publically funded or receives subsidies from the local municipality, and likely freely accessible, although maybe also charging money for some types of events. An amenity=events_venue is usually a commercial entity, charing money for all of its use and making profit of it.

OK, tnx, makes sense .... better someone make your 'definition' here also on those amenity=events_venue- and amenity=community_centre-tag wiki descriptions then, to avoid confusing ... wink

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#9 2019-01-10 17:11:32

henke54
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Re: amenity=community_centre

SomeoneElse wrote:

Er - the difference between the two OSM wiki pages that you've just quoted?  There's a big difference between "public locations where members of a community tend to gather for group activities" and "A stand-alone facility, used to hosting a variety of events, such as formal dinners, dinner-dances, weddings or other celebrations".

nope, because sometimes those 2 definitions are applicable for 1 building

and by the way, a 'events venue' is in Dutch language a evenementenhal (here is wikidata of it) , and is a whole different 'thing' then what is 'described' as a function hall on OSM wiki ...

SomeoneElse wrote:

By the way, I am finding it difficult to tell whether you're asking genuine questions here or engaging in a bit of light online trolling (the whatboutery, random quoting, links to non-OSM sites and excess smilies would suggest the latter, but hopefully it's just a location/culture difference that's causing me to think that).

think whatever you want ... it's a 'free' world ... tongue

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#10 2019-01-10 20:39:35

escada
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Re: amenity=community_centre

An events venue is every "Feestzaal" next to a pub. They are not owned by the community. Other event venues are buildings (e.g. castles) that one can rent for e.g. weddings.

A community center is a building made available by the community where the retired people can come together to play cards.
Another one that I tag as community center is "parochiezaal" (a building associated with the parich and where e.g. families gather after a funeral)

Another type of community centre are the club homes of the local sport clubs (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:club)

I also tag the club homes of the KSA, KSJ, etc as community centre. Those are similar to scouts, but have either catholic or socialist roots.

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#11 2019-01-10 21:52:35

henke54
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Re: amenity=community_centre

escada wrote:

An events venue is every "Feestzaal" next to a pub. They are not owned by the community. Other event venues are buildings (e.g. castles) that one can rent for e.g. weddings.

A community center is a building made available by the community where the retired people can come together to play cards.
Another one that I tag as community center is "parochiezaal" (a building associated with the parich and where e.g. families gather after a funeral)

Another type of community centre are the club homes of the local sport clubs (see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:club)

I also tag the club homes of the KSA, KSJ, etc as community centre. Those are similar to scouts, but have either catholic or socialist roots.

a "club home of the local sport clubs"(as wel as other facilities) can be both , that is why i mentioned above ; " because sometimes those 2 definitions are applicable for 1 building"

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#12 2019-01-11 02:14:08

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Re: amenity=community_centre

henke54 wrote:

and by the way, a 'events venue' is in Dutch language a evenementenhal (here is wikidata of it) , and is a whole different 'thing' then what is 'described' as a function hall on OSM wiki ...

In OSM context, this looks more like amenity=conference_centre

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#13 2019-01-11 07:26:22

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Re: amenity=community_centre

henke54 wrote:

a "club home of the local sport clubs"(as wel as other facilities) can be both , that is why i mentioned above ; " because sometimes those 2 definitions are applicable for 1 building"

you mean when a sport club allows other people to rent their building for parties ? I would still not map it as a events_venue. The primary purpose is still club home. Of course there will be cases where a building is a club home 50% of the time and 50% of the time an event venue, but they are rare, not ?

You can always place 2 nodes within the building, or map the primary purpose on the building and the secondary as node inside.

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#14 2019-01-11 10:53:19

henke54
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Re: amenity=community_centre

muralito wrote:
henke54 wrote:

and by the way, a 'events venue' is in Dutch language a evenementenhal (here is wikidata of it) , and is a whole different 'thing' then what is 'described' as a function hall on OSM wiki ...

In OSM context, this looks more like amenity=conference_centre

on the wikidata of event venue is a linking to OSM tag though ... and in my opinion also better 'suited' , because a 'venue' is 'a place where events of a specific type are held' and a meeting place   wink
Tag:amenity=events_venue could be also 'all-encompassing' for all the 'proposed' features on this page ...

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