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#126 2020-05-23 20:30:38

ika-chan!
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Re: road names discussion/poll

I am not the one who suggested or put Λεωφόρος in name=*, but I don't want to touch anything in case I make an already volatile situation worse.

Last edited by ika-chan! (2020-05-23 20:36:20)


No one has to be 100% perfect at OpenStreetMap.

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#127 2020-05-23 21:54:34

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Re: road names discussion/poll

JayCBR wrote:

τα χουμε πει πόσες φορές πόσο περιττά και λάθος είναι οδός και λεωφόρος στο name, δεν μπορώ να καταλάβω πώς ξαφνικά αποφάσισες οτι πρέπει να αλλάξει, το φορουμ είναι ελεύθερο, όπως και η συζήτηση του wiki, μπορεί οποιοσδήποτε να ενημερωθεί και να εκφέρει γνώμη

δεν μπορούν χρήστες που δεν συμμετέχουν σε καμία συζήτηση/ψηφοφορία να διαμαρτυρηθούν οτι δεν τους συμπεριλάβαμε

παραφωνία υπάρχει επειδή 4-5 άτομα δεν μπορούμε να συμφωνήσουμε σε τπτ και ο καθένας πάει και κάνει το κομμάτι του

Δεν αποφάσισα τίποτα αντίθετο εγώ. Αντιθέτως σε πολλές πόλεις έχω κάνει αλλαγές σύμφωνα με αυτήν απόφαση.
Απλά επισήμανα πως δεν μπορεί να εφαρμοστεί λόγω της μη πληροφόρησης πολλών χρηστών, με κυριότερο αίτιο την διασπορά των μέσων επικοινωνίας που έχει το OSM.

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#128 2020-05-30 16:22:16

Rick Sanchez C-137
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Re: road names discussion/poll

so this is my idea about road names:

National Highways (trunk/primary)
-destination names in genitive case, like local streets/avenues

Major Provincial Roads (secondary)
-destination names in genitive case, like local streets/avenues

Minor Provincial Roads (tertiary) and every other road connecting populated places (tertiary at least)
-destination names in nominative case

Streets with names (populated places)
-genitive case
-avoiding οδός/λεωφόρος (as previously discussed)

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#129 2020-05-31 01:21:41

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Re: road names discussion/poll

Rick Sanchez C-137 wrote:

Streets with names (populated places)
-genitive case
-avoiding οδός/λεωφόρος (as previously discussed)

My opinion is to use Genitive only on official named roads  (as registered in Gov Gazette).
All the rest (not mentioned on Gazette) should be better named by the places that they connect in nominative.

Also, most highways should be named by starting and ending places as in Gov Gazette.
For example, I saw (I mean that i drove on this highway)  that the highway Chalkida - Edipsos has been fully marked from beginning to end.
We should not break the name to minor pieces, like Chalkida - Mantoudi & Mantoudi - Edipsos because there is countinous numbering of the milestones.
For example is the whole route is 90km and Mantoudi is at hallfway (eg 45th kilometre), the 40th kilometre on the same highway is on Chalkida-Mantoudi and the 60th kilometre is on Mantoudi-Edipsos. it is tottaly wrong because it looks like these are 2 different highways but they are ONE!
The first place should be the name of the place that the counting of distance begins.

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#130 2020-05-31 18:43:54

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in this example it is wrong to break it in Mantoudi, since the main road is continuous. What i say applies to Istiaia, where there are lots of disruptions, so its probably better to be named Χαλκίδας - Ιστιαίας and Ιστιαίας - Λουτρών Αιδηψού, and this doesnt mess with EO kilometers. There are other problems with your idea (there are huge official names according to government documents), also lots of provincial roads are fragmented etc, i think we should map the reality on the ground and not a document from 60 years ago. I also noticed another thing which is wrong about highway links: when a higher class (e.g. primary) connects with a lower class (e.g. secondary), the links between them need to be the same as the main road (primary_links) according to osm wiki

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#131 2020-05-31 20:21:47

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Re: road names discussion/poll

Rick Sanchez C-137 wrote:

in this example it is wrong to break it in Mantoudi, since the main road is continuous. What i say applies to Istiaia, where there are lots of disruptions, so its probably better to be named Χαλκίδας - Ιστιαίας and Ιστιαίας - Λουτρών Αιδηψού, and this doesnt mess with EO kilometers. There are other problems with your idea (there are huge official names according to government documents), also lots of provincial roads are fragmented etc, i think we should map the reality on the ground and not a document from 60 years ago.

The milestones keep counting even after Ιστιαία, so Ιστιαία should not be in the name.
Yesterday i was at Thessaly, from Volos to karditsa and I found that milestones were counting from Volos till Farsala.
Last Summer I went from Lamia to Larisa and I also found milestones counting from Lamia. So Lamia-Larisa is tottaly correct, but what about Volos - karditsa? After Neo Monastiri I didnt find any milestone till Karditsa.Should Volos-Kaditsa highway be interrupted by Lamia-Larisa?
If it is so, the highway Volos-karditsa should be broken in 2 pieces, Volos-Farsala, after it becomes Lamia-Larisa and then Neo Monastiri-Karditsa? Or keep same name all way? I made some changes but I will revert them if I was wrong.

Rick Sanchez C-137 wrote:

I also noticed another thing which is wrong about highway links: when a higher class (e.g. primary) connects with a lower class (e.g. secondary), the links between them need to be the same as the main road (primary_links) according to osm wiki

Wherever I find these mistakes, i fix them. Higher level is always used.

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#132 2020-07-13 17:53:53

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Re: road names discussion/poll

Δεν καταλαβαίνω γιατί τόσο μεγάλο νήμα, στο κεντρικό επίσημο wiki λέει ότι οι πληροφορίες πρέπει να είναι "Truthful & Verifiable"
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_We_Map

Οι πινακίδες στους Ελληνικούς δρόμους δεν έχουν τίποτα άλλο παρά
name:prefix=Πλατεία
name=Ελευθερίας
int_name=Eleftherias

1) Δεν αναγράφουν πουθενά την λέξη square.
2) Για να κάνουμε τον ήχο ί στα αγγλικά πρέπει να χρησιμοποιήσουμε τα γράμματα ee ή ea, οπότε εύκολα συμπεράνουμε ότι οι λατινικοί χαρακτήρες ΔΕΝ είναι αγγλικά. (διότι είναι int_name).

Φτιάχνω και το ελληνικό wiki για να είναι σε αρμονία με το επίσημο.

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#133 2020-07-14 13:38:26

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Re: road names discussion/poll

Υπάρχει σύγχιση.
Πολλοί νομίζουν πως το Λατινικό αλφάβητο είναι το ίδιο με το Αγγλικό.
Πιο τρανό παράδειγμα δεν υπάρχει από τα λεγόμενα "Greeklish", που στην ουσια είναι λατινικά γράμματα που ταιριάζουν με τους ελληνικούς φθόγγους και οχι Eng-lish.
Αν σε ενδιαφέρει η διαφοροποίηση δες αυτό το βίντεο "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH3lD-L85Is"
Οσο για τα γράμματα που αναφέρεις, θα σου αναφέρω 2 ουσιαστικές αντιστοιχίες για ελληνικές λέξεις:
1. Το Φ στα λατινικά είναι F και στα αγγλικά Ph  (elephant, pharmacy)
2. Το Αι στα λατινικά είναι E και στα Αγγλικά είναι Ae  (Egeo, Aegean)

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