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#401 2016-08-06 12:12:11

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.ph … 2016-08-06

Der Datenstand ist von 2016-08-05 23:06:02+02

15 Missings und 4 kritische Multipolygone.
   
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#402 2016-08-06 12:48:27

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

SomeoneElse wrote:

@wambacher (re "the gap") Various people have in the past had a go at mapping the "restricted areas" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Zone_%28region%29 for info).  I'm not sure what remains of them in OSM - If anyone wants to make a border recommendation based on them, great - but I suspect it'll be the people in this thread who'll be maintaining it :-)

Without a solution, which is accepted by the majority of the community and which is enforced by the DWG, it will be impossible for us to keep this version alive. The local community of morocco is doing everything, including using socket puppets, to revert any change on "their" view of the situation. Without any word.

i.g we have dwg "support" for the current boundaries in Israel/Palestine, the crimean area and some more. Every political motivated edit may be revertet to get the actual state. If it is necessary, we'll ask dwg. And they do help.

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walter

btw: did the local Mapper contact you?

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#403 2016-08-06 14:34:46

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

So,

Step 1: We need an agreement those pro-Moroccans.. first. The agreement them would either include that we can add SADR to OSM, or that they can't delete the SADR without discussion (or both). This agreement would be via messages.

Step 2: Request opinion from the community.

Step 3: Edit with caution. Undelete the SADR.

Step 4: If a pro-Moroccan that's not in the agreement comes and deletes the SADR without discussion.. well, the community decides.

Step 5: If one pro-Moroccan in the agreement deletes the SADR again without discussion, it would be avoiding the agreement they made. Contact as many editors as you can contact.

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#404 2016-08-07 11:52:38

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.ph … 2016-08-07

Der Datenstand ist von 2016-08-06 22:28:02+02

17 Missings und kein kritisches Multipolygon.
   
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#405 2016-08-08 16:47:44

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.ph … 2016-08-08

Der Datenstand ist von 2016-08-07 20:26:02+02

26 Missings und kein kritisches Multipolygon.

Algerien hat es erwischt. Ich hoffe, dass das nicht unsere marokkanischen "Freunde" waren wink
   
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walter

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#406 2016-08-08 22:19:39

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

There isn't a border in the EU relation. Why? Because the admin_level is missing.

It should be admin_level=1, according to the wiki.

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#407 2016-08-09 10:27:34

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

@SomeoneElse: Hi Andy,

what is the actual situation and what will happen next?

Regards
walter

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#408 2016-08-09 10:33:33

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

@wambacher I'll give everyone a bit more time to respond (we're still getting replies in in dribs and drabs).  I'll probably send a reminder to some of those that haven't replied yet that we'd like their opinion too.

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#409 2016-08-09 11:26:20

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

SomeoneElse wrote:

@wambacher I'll give everyone a bit more time to respond (we're still getting replies in in dribs and drabs).  I'll probably send a reminder to some of those that haven't replied yet that we'd like their opinion too.

Thanks. I'll try to write down "my way".
Is there any possibility to see the responses? don't think so, because there are too many comm channels right now. which one do you prefer?

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#410 2016-08-09 11:33:46

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

@wambacher Some of the respondents have requested anonymity, so the I'll paraphrase the actual responses to try and prevent anyone being identified against their will.  An email to data@osmfoundation.org is least likely to be forgotten, but other methods would work too.

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#411 2016-08-10 10:35:50

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.ph … 2016-08-10

Der Datenstand ist von 2016-08-09 23:16:03+02

17 Missings und ein kritisches Multipolygon.
   
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#412 2016-08-11 12:05:21

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.ph … 2016-08-11

Der Datenstand ist von 2016-08-10 19:18:02+02

42 Missings und kein kritisches Multipolygon.
   
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#413 2016-08-11 14:14:08

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

@SomeoneElse

Hi Andy,

i'm really confused about Western Sahara. Some say, it's Morocco and some say, it's not. And i can't decide (even for me) which is ok. sad
SADC is not controlled by Morocco but it's not a "real" country.

Solutions:

a) Morroco and Westen Sahara are split like here:

tn_Morocco3.png
SADC is part of Western Sahara.

b) only one Morocco

tn_morroco_20160807.png

This is the current OSM data

c) one Morocco without SADC

tn_morroco_20160410.png

This was OSM at April 2016

I prefer solution one, because Morocco annected the ex spanish colony and that is not accepted by the UN.
On the other side, Western Sahara has been accepted by about 50 nations.

################################## CUT #################################

The current maroccanian borders (AL2) do not exclude the spanish exclaves Melilla, Ceouta ans some smaller island in the area. The Boundaries are existing (e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/44630799), but they are no "inner" on Morocco, which is wrong.

And more:

The areas of Merilla and Ceuto do not include the 12NM maritime boundary, but the coastline has been used. I think, that is wrong too.

tn_ceuta.png

Regards
Walter

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#414 2016-08-12 18:03:54

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

Moin,

spät, aber zumindest durchgelaufen. Hatte heute früh Rechnerprobleme sad

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.ph … 2016-08-12

Der Datenstand ist von 2016-08-11 23:42:02+02

15 Missings und drei kritische Multipolygone.
   
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walter

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#415 2016-08-13 12:32:28

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.ph … 2016-08-13

Der Datenstand ist von 2016-08-12 20:20:02+02

10 Missings und kein kritisches Multipolygon.
   
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#416 2016-08-14 09:33:34

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.ph … 2016-08-14

Der Datenstand ist von 2016-08-14 01:06:03+02

10 Missings und ein kritisches Multipolygon.
   
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#417 2016-08-15 09:55:07

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.ph … 2016-08-15

Der Datenstand ist von 2016-08-14 22:53:02+02

15 Missings und 6 kritische Multipolygone.

Die Gegend bei Neunkirchen/Erlangen hat es erwischt. Auch einige PLZ.
tn_neunkirchen.png
   
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#418 2016-08-16 13:32:22

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.ph … 2016-08-16

Der Datenstand ist von 2016-08-15 20:47:02+02

19 Missings und 7 kritische Multipolygone.
   
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#419 2016-08-17 14:18:22

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.ph … 2016-08-17

Der Datenstand ist von 2016-08-17 02:21:02+02

9 Missings und zwei kritische Multipolygone.
   
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#420 2016-08-18 12:37:35

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.ph … 2016-08-18

Der Datenstand ist von 2016-08-18 01:33:02+02

13 Missings und kein kritisches Multipolygon.
   
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#421 2016-08-19 10:24:29

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.ph … 2016-08-19

Der Datenstand ist von 2016-08-18 23:25:03+02

23 Missings und 4 kritische Multipolygone.

Togo hat es erwischt.
tn_togo.png
Ist übrigens ein Land, aus dem eine ganz besondere Pizza stammen muss: "Pizza Togo" sehe ich öfters. wink

Gruss
walter

ps: ich krempel gerade Tansania um. Ein Wunder, dass da nur ein Missing ist.

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#422 2016-08-20 08:34:15

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.ph … 2016-08-20

Der Datenstand ist von 2016-08-19 22:06:02+02

48 Missings und drei kritische Multipolygone.

Nicaragua und Costa Rica hat es erwischt.
tn_nicaragua_costa_rica.png
   
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#423 2016-08-21 11:09:40

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

Moin,

hier die aktuelle Missing Boundaries-Auswertung: https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.ph … 2016-08-21

Der Datenstand ist von 2016-08-20 22:11:02+02

13 Missings und kein kritisches Multipolygon.
   
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#424 2016-08-21 13:01:58

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

Hi, es ist nicht zu glauben:

vorgestern hat jemand in Mittelamerika richtig zugeschlagen und Grenzen im halben Costa Rica und auch Nicagarua gelöscht.
Leider kann ich den wohl relevanten CS  https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41566725 weder teilweise noch vollständig reverten. Josm stürzt im Reverter ab. Josm-latest ist etwas stabiler, schaftt es  aber auch nicht (oder es liegt an mir?) Wiederherstellen gelöschter Objekte will auch net.

Der Mapper ist seid 2010 dabei, hat aber nur 80 CS und die letzten - natürlich - mit iD gemacht. Angeschrieben hab ich ihn per Mail und CS-Discuss., aber ich rechne nicht damit, dass er das selbsttätig korrigieren kann.

Ich bitte daher euch, sich diesem gravierenden Problem (2 Länder quasi weg https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/index.ph … 016-08-20) zu widmen (Frederik? michael? SomeoneElse?), da ich hier nicht weiter komme.

Traurige Grüsse
walter

@SomeoneElse: big data loss in Costa Rica and Nicaragua and i can't revert it. need help. About 33 admin boundaries gone, and may be other data too.

fixed by hand sad http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/41612723

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#425 2016-08-22 10:03:59

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Re: [closed] Internationale Admingrenzen 2016

- snip -

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