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#1 2009-07-15 12:42:21

Blagadusha
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Registered: 2009-06-07
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Klasifikacija na naselenite mesta: town - village

Dear participants,

In this topic I would like to pay attention to the need of a correct approach tagging the inhabited places related to its classification status: town – village. Namely, according to the conventions in key:place , the classification presented on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki … _Macedonia recommends - the places to be tagged as:

•    city (above 100.000 inhabitants);

•    town (between 10.000 and 100.000 inhabitants);

•    village (below 10.000 inhabitants).

This criterion, in my opinion, is not suitable here, because the classification of the places in Republic of Macedonia not depends on the number of their inhabitants. Whether a place will be treated either as a town or as a village in this country depends on the lifestyle in that place - urban or rural, i.e. it depends on that – by which kind of work activities the inhabitants in some place accomplish their existence: primary (agriculture) - in the villages, secondary, tertiary… activities – in the towns and cities.

By the Law on Territorial Organization of the Local Self-government in RM (????? ?? ??????????????? ???????????? ?? ????????? ?????????? ?? ??) article 10
http://www.pravo.org.mk/download/Zakoni … _na_RM.pdf , in Republic of Macedonia there are 33 towns which are seats of the appropriate municipalities (without Skopje). The other 41 municipalities (34 - 74 without Skopje) are with seats in appropriate villages. And, 10 municipalities (of total 84) are in Skopje.

According to this law, towns are: Berovo, Bitola, Bogdanci, Valandovo, Veles, Vinica, Gevgelija, Gostivar, Debar, Del?evo, Demir Kapija, Demir Hisar, Kavadarci, Ki?evo, Ko?ani, Kratovo, Kriva Palanka, Kruševo, Kumanovo, Makedonska Kamenica, Makedonski Brod, Negotino, Ohrid, Peh?evo, Prilep, Probištip, Radoviš, Resen, Sveti Nikole, Struga, Strumica, Tetovo and Štip.

As for this classification, view also http://www.stat.gov.mk/glavna.asp?br=107 > ?????? ?? ??????? ? ???????? ?????.

By the way, I could not understand how is possible e.g. Kruševo to be classified out of category "towns" (that’s means it is a village) just because its number of inhabitants is below 10.000, even though that this place has 200 years long tradition of a town!

According to the exposed, in my opinion, we should take in view the above mentioned law classification of the places related to their status: town – villages, ignoring the key:place conventions.

Related to this topic, view also http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk … _Macedonia .

Please post your opinion – what are you think about this?

With best wishes,

Blagadusha



?????????? ????????,

?? ?a??? ?? ?? ???????? ? ?? ????????? ?? ??????? ????????? ??????? ??? ??????????? ?? ?????????? ????? ?? ????? ?? ?????????????? ?? ????????: ???? – ???? (town – village). ?????, ?? ?????????? ?? key:place ???????????, ??????????????? ???????????? ??
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki … _Macedonia ?è ???????? ?????????? ????? ?? ?? "????????" ?? ???????? ?????:

•    city (above 100.000 inhabitants);

•    town (between 10.000 and 100.000 inhabitants);

•    village (below 10.000 inhabitants).

?? ??? ???????, ???? ????????? ?? ? ????????? ????????? ?? ?????? ?????, ??????? ??????????????? ?? ?????????? ????? ?? ????????? ?????????? ?? ? ????????? ??? ?????? ?? ???????? ?? ??????. ???? ????? ???????? ????? ?? ???? ????????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ??????? ??????????????, ???????, ??? ?????? ?? ?????????? ?????? ????? ?? ???????????? ??????? ?? ???? ?? ???????? ??????????. ??? ???, ??????? ?? ??? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? (??????????, ??????????), ??? ????? ?? ?????? ?? ???????? ?? ????????????? ???? ????, ?????? ?????????? ????? ?? ??? ????????????? ????????????, ????????????, ??????????? ???????? – ????????????? ???????.

?????? ??????? ?? ????????????? ???????????? ?? ????????? ?????????? ?? ?? http://www.pravo.org.mk/download/Zakoni … _na_RM.pdf , ?? ????????? ?????????? ??? 33 ??????? ??? ?? ??????? ?? ??????????? ??????? (??? ??????). ??????, ?? ??????? ?? ???????? ????????? ??? ??????? ?? ?? ???? (41 ?? ????, ?? 34 ?? 74 ??? ??????), ?????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?????? ??????? ????????????? 10, ?? ?????? 84 ???????.

?????? ???? ?????, ??????? ?? ?????????? (??? ??????) ??: ??????, ??????, ????????, ?????????, ?????, ??????, ?????????, ????????, ?????, ???????, ????? ??????, ????? ?????, ?????????, ??????, ??????, ???????, ????? ???????, ???????, ????????, ?????????? ????????, ?????????? ????, ????????, ?????, ???????, ??????, ?????????, ???????, ?????, ????? ??????, ??????, ????????, ?????? ? ????.

?????? ?? ?????????? ?????, ??? ???? ?? ?? ???? ? ?? ??????????? ?? ????????? ????? ?? ?????????? http://www.stat.gov.mk/glavna.asp?br=107 > ?????? ?? ??????? ? ???????? ?????.

???? ???????, ?? ?? ????? ?? ????????, ?? ??????, ???? ? ????? ??????? ?? ?? ???? ????????????? ???? ???????????? ??????? ???? ????? ??? ??? ??????? ?? 10.000 ??????, ???? ??? 200 ??????? ????????? ?? ????.

?? ????? ?? ??????????, ?????? ???? ??? "??????????" ?? ?????????? ????? ????? ?? ?? ????? ??????? ?????? ????????? ???????? ??????? ?? ??????????????? ?? ???????, ??? ??????? ?? ?? ?????????? ????????? ?????? ?? "key:place" ????????????.

?? ???? ???? ? ? ?????? ????????? ?? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk … _Macedonia .

??? ??????? ?? ???? ???? ?? ??????????? ?? ????? ?????
??????????!

???????,
?????????

Last edited by Blagadusha (2009-07-15 12:58:10)

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#2 2009-07-15 21:49:51

ivank
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Registered: 2009-06-23
Posts: 14

Re: Klasifikacija na naselenite mesta: town - village

?? ???????? ?? ????????? ???? ????? ?? ?? ????????? ????????? ?????????, ??? ?? ???????? ???????????? ?????, ?? ??? ??? ? ?? ?????????? ???? ??? ???? ?? ??????????. ?? ???????? ?? ??????, ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ???????????? ?????????? ????????????? ? ??????????, ?? ?? ????????? ??????? ?? 100.000 ??????. ?????????????? ???? ? ?? ??? ?? ?? ???????? ???? 'town' ? ?? ???? 'city', ???????? ?? ??????????? ????????????? ?? ???.

???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????????? ?? ???? ???????? ? ??????? ?? ??????????????? ???????. ??? ? ?????????? ?? ?????? ?????? (???? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key: … dmin_level) ? ?????? ????? ?? ?? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ??? ??????? ?? ?? ???????? ?????????? ???????. ????????? ? ??????? ?? ??? ?????????? ????? ??? ??????????? ??????? ????? ?? ? ??????????? ??????? ? ????????? ?? ??? ?????????? ?? ? ???????? (?).

??????? ??????? ?? ???? ????:
1 - N/A
2 - ?????????? ???????
3 -
4 - (??????????? ???????)
5 - ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ???? ??????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??????????
6 - ????????? ???????
7 -
8 - ??????? ?? ???????? ????? (????/????) ???????? ???????????? ??????? ??? ?? ???????? ??? ?? „??????????“ ?????? ?? ???????? ????-??????????
9 -
10 - (??????????? ?? ??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ?????)

?? ???????????? ? ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ??????? (?? ??. ???? ?? ?????????? ????????????? ???????, ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ?? ?????? ?? 5 ??? 6 ?? ????????? ?????? ?? ??????? ????, ???...). ??????? ?? ???????? ??????? ????????? ? ?? ???? ?????, ????? ?? ?? ????? ?? ?????????????? wiki ?????? ???? ???????? ????????? ?? ??????? ?? ????????? ?? ??????????.

???????,
????
?.?. ??????? ?? ??????????/??????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ? ??????? ?????????? ???????. ???????????? ???????? (?? ???? ??? ?? ?????????? ?? ???????????) ?????? ?? ?? ??????????? ?? ????????.

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#3 2009-07-16 15:34:59

Mafeu
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From: Bremen, Germany
Registered: 2009-06-04
Posts: 14

Re: Klasifikacija na naselenite mesta: town - village

Еве, ги додадов овије градови под 10.000 жители на вики страница http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki … _Macedonia . Слободно ја едитирајте ја страницата!

Поздрав,

  Мартин

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#4 2009-07-16 19:56:07

Blagadusha
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Registered: 2009-06-07
Posts: 13

Re: Klasifikacija na naselenite mesta: town - village

??????????, ??????, ?? ?????? ???????? ? ?? ???????????!

????? ? ??? ?? [url]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki Â… _Macedonia[/url] ???? ?? ???????? ? ??????? ???????, ???, ???? ????? ??????? ?? 10.000 ??????, ?? ????? ????? ?????? - ???????. ????? ? ??? ?? ?????????? ?? ?????? ? ??????? ?? ??????? ?? ???????????? ?????? ?? ??? ?????????? ? ??????? ???? ???????. ??????????? ?? ?????????? ?? ?? ??????? ?????? ?????????, ?? ????? ?? ????????? ??????????.

???? ?? ? ??? ? ???? ?? ?????????, ? ??????? ???? ??? ??????? ?? ????? ? ?????????? ???????? ?? ???????.

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#5 2016-05-02 15:39:27

Y1K991
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Registered: 2016-04-04
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Re: Klasifikacija na naselenite mesta: town - village

place=city за градовите над 50000 жители
place=town за градовите под 50000 жители (тука влегуваат и оние гратчиња кои немаат ни 10000 жители, а се категоризираат како градови.
place=village за сите села во Македонија.
place=hamlet да НЕ се користи за означување на села. Зашто, зашто е превод на некоја категорија за селца во земјите од поранешен СССР.
Кај нас поделбата на населени места е град или село.

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#6 2016-07-26 08:06:39

Javier Gutiérrez
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Registered: 2015-11-14
Posts: 3

Re: Klasifikacija na naselenite mesta: town - village

Hello there,

it is not clear to me when to use village and when to use hamlet.

Hamlets are not described/mentioned in the wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki … ce_tagging, but are very much used across the Macedonian territory on OSM.

For example there is Greshnica in the municipality of Kichevo, it was not there and I just added it. It has a population of 1480 inhabitants (according to Wikipedia).

I am pretty sure it is a village, but what is the condition to use "hamlet" ?

PS: It would be good to add this information to the wiki...

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#7 2016-09-01 15:08:12

borces
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Registered: 2013-06-26
Posts: 19

Re: Klasifikacija na naselenite mesta: town - village

By definition in OSM http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:place%3Dhamlet, "place=hamlet for an isolated settlement, typically with less than 100-200 inhabitants".
If the settlement is bigger than its village.

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#8 2016-09-01 16:45:16

Javier Gutiérrez
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Registered: 2015-11-14
Posts: 3

Re: Klasifikacija na naselenite mesta: town - village

Thanks for the clarification. I'll update then the wiki "Macedonian place tagging" to reflect the same.
(Hope somebody can transfer the same changes to the one in Macedonian language...)

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