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#1376 2012-04-12 00:04:11

HeinIII
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

Beddhist wrote:

I just re-read your post and now see how you make the NL map disappear. smile

JaVaWa let's you check for errors and offers to fix them. Moving maps is just one thing the app does. Give it a go. There is either a conflict with your NL map or your registry is somehow messed up. There is a good chance that this will help you.

Registry made me check further. With the info from JaVaWa I find there is a difference in de reg key used for NL-FRYSK and The OSM routable. see belowattachment. That could be it?

Hein

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Naam in toestel:    OSM World Routable
Family ID (FID):    2000
Product ID (PID):    3
Versie:    1.00
Grootte:    353,33 MiB
Locatie:    C:\Program Files\OpenStreetMap Garmin maps\OSM World Routable\
Registersleutel:    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Families\OSM World Routable
Kaarttype:    Registerkaart
Beveiligd:    Nee
   
Kaartsegmenten (76):    63240012.img: OSM World Routable (63240012)
    63240016.img: OSM World Routable
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

and

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~Naam op computer:    OSM NL Frysk
Naam in toestel:    OSM map
Product ID (PID):    52
Versie:    1.00
Grootte:    75,91 MiB
Locatie:    C:\Program Files\OpenStreetMap Garmin maps\NL-FRYSK\
Registersleutel:    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Products
Kaarttype:    Registerkaart
Beveiligd:    Nee
   
Kaartsegmenten (169):    13000001.img: OSM NL Frysk(13000001)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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#1377 2012-04-12 03:03:42

Beddhist
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

If you have an older install file then you could try removing the current OSM map and installing the older one. Perhaps your install file is broken? Since thousands of people use this successfully, it has to be a problem on your PC. Sorry, I don't think I can help you any further...

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#1378 2012-04-12 05:33:35

Seldom
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HeinIII wrote:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~Naam op computer:    OSM NL Frysk
Naam in toestel:    OSM map
Product ID (PID):    52
Versie:    1.00
Grootte:    75,91 MiB
Locatie:    C:\Program Files\OpenStreetMap Garmin maps\NL-FRYSK\
Registersleutel:    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Products
Kaarttype:    Registerkaart
Beveiligd:    Nee
   
Kaartsegmenten (169):    13000001.img: OSM NL Frysk(13000001)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Looks like this was installed a long time ago, before Garmin adopted Family IDs.  If you have a valid TDB file, overview.IMG file, and IMG file  you could re-install it with a Family ID using MapSetToolKit and the process I describe here about halfway down the thread.  There's probably a more elegant way to do it using JavaWa, but I'm not very good with that yet.

Last edited by Seldom (2012-04-12 05:38:04)

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#1379 2012-04-12 14:04:01

Herve5
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

Hello!

I have been a relatively slow but continuous mapper for a couple of years, and having just bought a Garmin GPS I discover this discussion: needless to say I'm delighted --I knew the others OSM activities of Lambertus but here I'm just baffled ;-)
I just downloaded my region and managed to install it on a Dezl, routing works perfectly and it's a really warm feeling to "see OSM" on the GPS screen. (I see some complain about how the map default looks: I definitely love it!)

If I may, I have just a single wish: my GPS is capable to handle truck-related constraints within the Garmin own map: for instance, I announce my trailer is 3m high, and then the software will automatically avoid passing under bridges allowing only 2.5m max height.

Now, when the GPS only runs from the OSM map, it won't recognize height limit tags apparently.
Do you think it is an issue with the tags themselves? (i. e., wrong tag, wrong tagged object..?)
Or is it a limit from the translating software that'll not transfer them "to Garmin"?

(I remember having added myself many of these truck constraints in my surroundings in OSM!)

TIA!
Hervé

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#1380 2012-04-12 14:17:27

ajoessen
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

Herve5 wrote:

If I may, I have just a single wish: my GPS is capable to handle truck-related constraints within the Garmin own map: for instance, I announce my trailer is 3m high, and then the software will automatically avoid passing under bridges allowing only 2.5m max height.

Now, when the GPS only runs from the OSM map, it won't recognize height limit tags apparently.
Do you think it is an issue with the tags themselves? (i. e., wrong tag, wrong tagged object..?)
Or is it a limit from the translating software that'll not transfer them "to Garmin"?

In Germany, someone recently invented a Garmin map for trucks:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Win32netsky

So, it is possible! But you have to implement it.

Greetings,
ajoessen

Last edited by ajoessen (2012-04-12 19:01:38)

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#1381 2012-04-12 16:36:39

HeinIII
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

Seldom wrote:
HeinIII wrote:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~Naam op computer:    OSM NL Frysk
Naam in toestel:    OSM map
Product ID (PID):    52
Versie:    1.00
Grootte:    75,91 MiB
Locatie:    C:\Program Files\OpenStreetMap Garmin maps\NL-FRYSK\
Registersleutel:    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Garmin\MapSource\Products
Kaarttype:    Registerkaart
Beveiligd:    Nee
   
Kaartsegmenten (169):    13000001.img: OSM NL Frysk(13000001)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Looks like this was installed a long time ago, before Garmin adopted Family IDs.  If you have a valid TDB file, overview.IMG file, and IMG file  you could re-install it with a Family ID using MapSetToolKit and the process I describe here about halfway down the thread.  There's probably a more elegant way to do it using JavaWa, but I'm not very good with that yet.


Hi, the thing is .... The OSM NL-Frysk is a map I can see and use in Mapsource. The map I want to see, but cannot, is the OSM World Routable. If I understand you correctly this has been installed in the correct way. So, I do not want to fix the NL Frysk installation. That one I could actually do without. I want the OSM routable to work though. Any thoughts on that?

Thnx, Hein

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#1382 2012-04-12 17:41:05

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

I can only think of running the deinstaller for the OSM World Routable map and reinstall it, or if the deinstaller does not exist or does not remove everything, manually remove the map from the harddisk and delete the entry for the map in the registry (search for "OSM World Routable", then delete the entry in Garmin/MapSource/Families). Then reinstall the OSM World Routable map.


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#1383 2012-04-12 18:19:16

Seldom
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

I agree with Lambertus.  If you aren't comfortable manually deleteing items from your registry MapSetToolKit has a handy "uninstall" feature.

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#1384 2012-04-12 19:14:01

HeinIII
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

Thnx guys, I tried the uninstall/install thing already, Not in combination with deleting the registry entry though. Will give it a try. The thing that bugs me, is the fact that I was a happy osm routable user untill a month or so ago. I ignored the problem untill recently. I'll try the mapsetoolkit.

Hein

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#1385 2012-04-12 19:32:21

Beddhist
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

Herve5 wrote:

If I may, I have just a single wish: my GPS is capable to handle truck-related constraints within the Garmin own map: for instance, I announce my trailer is 3m high, and then the software will automatically avoid passing under bridges allowing only 2.5m max height.

Working with Garmin maps I can say that there is no tag for height restrictions, only truck yes/no. I think you have discovered a feature of NT maps, which only Garmin themselves can compile.

As ajoessen says, you can compile your own map and implement a rule that restricts trucks in the Garmin map if height > x metres.

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#1386 2012-04-12 19:41:10

HeinIII
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

Success, thnx to all that came with suggestions. The mapsettoolkit really worked. I started the program and saw that a long list of debris (old map entries) was there. Only needed to select and uninstall these and then, ... after startup of mapsource, I saw that the osm routable map of the Netherlands was there again.

Thnx again, Hein

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#1387 2012-04-13 10:22:33

Herve5
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

Thank you, ajoessen and Beddhist!
I think I'm not mature enough to start compiling myself but I hope to reach this within some months!

Indeed the "truck" features of my Dezl look like they are quite detailed: initially one enters truck height/width/weight... and the restrictions leading to a detour are then identified, criterion by criterion, before the complete traject is drawn; for instance for height I get a screen locating the "faulty" bridge and its height limitation, etc.
I thought this corresponded to some equivalent to a "maxheight =..." tag.

Thanks again for both the great work, and the efficient reactions here!
Hervé

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#1388 2012-04-16 13:46:24

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At the moment Mongolia is covered with two tiles.
63241379.img // MN-Ulaanbaatar  // East
63241643.img // CN-Urumqi          // West

I had downloaded them together with the Russian Federation. To my surpise the western tile appeared all blue (water) on the 60Cx.

To check I only downloaded those two tiles again and constructed an GMAPSUPP.IMG out of them. Same result.

Also renaming 63241643.img to GMAPSUPP.IMG will show the whole square as blue on a 60Cx.

Hope this will be ok at next update.

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#1389 2012-04-18 20:32:48

Lambertus
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

As some of you know I'm working on a new version of the website where it will be possible to provide multiple types of maps with worldwide coverage.

A first beta version is available at: [[removed for the time being, send me an email if you want to test]]

For now I'm settling on a generic routable and a routable bicycle map and hope to expand later with a nautical map as well. Please test it and tell me what you think. Ideas for improvements are very welcome, but don't complain about the styling unless you have actual code to contribute: I suck at CSS and accept it.

What's new and improved:
- Support for more then one type of map.
- Better detection of existing maps thus less need to fill in your email address and more "download now" situations.
- Easy tileselection: Select tiles quickly using click-drag, but the country selection is also still available.

Known problems:
- I wanted to include the stylesheet from Bedhist and Ligfietser for the generic routable map, but somehow my script isn't including it yet. I'm working on it.
- Help files/texts are out of date.

If you visit the page you might run into temporary bugs, I'm actively working on it.

Last request: Please don't spread this URL to other forums etc. It is a very temporary URL and will break soon. I don't want people end up confused and complaining about 404 errors later.


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#1390 2012-04-18 20:52:31

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

1. The link should be http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/index_new.php
2. The page on my website you are linking to is obsolete; the tasks described there can be done with JaVaWa GMTK.
3. Nowadays nobody uses (or should use) RoadTrip on the Mac anymore; better rename it 'Installer for BaseCamp (Mac OS X)' or just 'Installer for Mac OS X'.
4. The page is pretty much unusable in Internet Explorer (as we all know); this is caused mainly by the large number of rectangles drawn on the map. I did a test with Leaflet, and that works at a decent speed in IE9 (IE8 is too slow).

Except for the first one these points apply to the regular garmin.openstreetmap.nl site too.

Edit: you found point 1. already...

Last edited by JaVaWa (2013-02-03 03:32:15)

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#1391 2012-04-18 21:27:10

Lambertus
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

Thank you for your comments JaVaWa smile

JaVaWa wrote:

2. The page on my website you are linking to is obsolete; the tasks described there can be done with JaVaWa GMTK.

Thanks. I will update this.

3. Nowadays nobody uses (or should use) RoadTrip on the Mac anymore; better rename it 'Installer for BaseCamp (Mac OS X)' or just 'Installer for Mac OS X'.

Great, I don't have a Mac so didn't know this. Will update as well.

4. The page is pretty much unusable in Internet Explorer (as we all know); this is caused mainly by the large number of rectangles drawn on the map. I did a test with Leaflet, and that works at a decent speed in IE9 (IE8 is too slow): http://www.javawa.nl/temp/tiletest/

Cool, Leaflet seems much faster indeed. I'll look into that.

Except for the first one these points apply to the regular garmin.openstreetmap.nl site too.

Yes, but that one is about to get discarded...


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#1392 2012-04-18 21:29:21

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

I'm not so happy with this Lambertus,

Type file name (openfietsmap_lite.typ) is too long
Styles are the default styles, not my openfietsmap style.
Better test this first in private with a few people.

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#1393 2012-04-18 21:42:17

JaVaWa
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

That's right, the name of a typ file cannot be longer than 8 characters (excluding extension)

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#1394 2012-04-18 21:46:23

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

ligfietser wrote:

I'm not so happy with this Lambertus,

Type file name (openfietsmap_lite.typ) is too long
Styles are the default styles, not my openfietsmap style.
Better test this first in private with a few people.

I'm pretty sure I've seen the typ file in action, so I'm not sure why you think it's too long?
Edit: typ filename is now shortened.

I thought that this topic was private enough, but opinions vary apparently.

Well ok, I'll remove the link and wait for your comments. In the mean time I'll try to implement Leaflet, but time the coming days will be in short demand.

Last edited by Lambertus (2012-04-18 21:57:29)


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#1395 2012-04-18 22:01:07

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

The typ file works in Mapsource but not on the GPS (8 characters max, like Javawa said).
More important is that you didnt use my openfietsmap style files, so this map is the same as the generic one except with the OFM typ file (which makes no sense).

Can you mail me your mkgmap settings?

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#1396 2012-04-18 22:17:05

Lambertus
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

I discovered the error, caused by copy/paste. I'll run an update tomorrow. The Mkgmap settings are on their way.


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#1397 2012-04-18 22:23:00

JaVaWa
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

Lambertus wrote:

In the mean time I'll try to implement Leaflet

I could help with that, if you want. I'm not saying I'm an expert on Leaflet, but I experimented a lot with it.
I saw you use a kml file to load the rectangles. Leaflet doesn't have kml support built in (yet). One way to solve that is to use geoJSON; or use an external kml script (but I didn't test that last one).

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#1398 2012-04-18 22:47:00

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Thanks, I have sent you the up-to-date styles and typ file.

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#1399 2012-04-19 09:26:32

Lambertus
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: URL REMOVED

JaVaWa wrote:
Lambertus wrote:

In the mean time I'll try to implement Leaflet

I could help with that, if you want. I'm not saying I'm an expert on Leaflet, but I experimented a lot with it.
I saw you use a kml file to load the rectangles. Leaflet doesn't have kml support built in (yet). One way to solve that is to use geoJSON; or use an external kml script (but I didn't test that last one).

Thanks for your offer JaVaWa, I was already wondering if KML is supported.

I can change the script that outputs the KML to geoJSON and would appreciate it if you can have a look at the website. All the map code is in openfietsmap_lite.js. I've added some extra comments. In the mean time the website can continue ot use OpenLayers as it has been for years, that way I can focus on bringing this live and optimize later.

I hope my coding is not too incompatible with Leaflet...

ligfietser wrote:

Thanks, I have sent you the up-to-date styles and typ file.

Thanks Ligfietser smile


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#1400 2012-04-19 10:03:02

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Forget to mention you might use one of the latest mkgmap versions, it has some improvements, like more languages in the installer (Dutch, German and Spanish) and it supports now gmapsupp's > 2 Gb (Dont know if your regions are that big though).

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