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#76 2009-04-03 19:36:41

John Serafin
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Lambertus wrote:
"This is strange, because it works on my 60CSx. Did you extract the img from the zip and placed that img in the /Garmin folder on the SD-card?"

Doh! Of course I unzipped, but I was using a fresh microSD card (that came with the 60CSx) and forgot
to make a garmin folder.

I forget whether I requested tiles from California or France, but it seems that what I got seems to be from
Poland.

The tile layout on the world map seems to have very nearly the same sizes and layout as before, but the
tile numbers are very different.

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#77 2009-04-03 20:53:51

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Again you found a bug, this time in the map making process where the maps from America are renamed from 6xxxxxxx.img to 7xxxxxxxx.img in order to avoid naming conflicts with the other tiles. This works fine, but I forgot to rename those numbers in the KML used for the website as well.

It's fixed now. Sorry.


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#78 2009-04-03 20:57:52

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Yehaaa... I've downloaded whole Germany and put it on my device and everything works fine. I think the major bugs are fixed.

Thanks & have a nice weekend.

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#79 2009-04-04 09:18:29

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Hi Lambertus,
I tried to install the routable maps of the centre of NL, but they keep crashing in mapsource:
tiles 63240105 and 63240103, I use mapsource 6.13.7

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#80 2009-04-04 13:17:12

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

ligfietser wrote:

Hi Lambertus,
I tried to install the routable maps of the centre of NL, but they keep crashing in mapsource:
tiles 63240105 and 63240103, I use mapsource 6.13.7

That's indeed what the red line on top of the webpage says. It's probably because you are lucky to live in one of the most densely mapped areas in the world. This is probably a bug in Mkgmap, I'm trying to debug it.


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#81 2009-04-04 14:46:13

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Lambertus wrote:

That's indeed what the red line on top of the webpage says. It's probably because you are lucky to live in one of the most densely mapped areas in the world. This is probably a bug in Mkgmap, I'm trying to debug it.

I also downloaded from http://www.team-oid.de/garmin_maps/ the maps of NL, which are routable and working so it should be possible. Those maps produce weird errors however on my Garmin Etrex, like in case of a left turn the direction on the screen shows a right turn-off, navigation on motorways for cyclists etc. so I wonder how your maps were doing. cool

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#82 2009-04-04 14:59:06

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

My maps are currently also leading cyclists onto a motorway for longer routes unfortunately. I have already reported this behavior to the Mkgmap dev list.

Regarding the maps that crash MapSource: I guess it's a question of luck if a tile causes it, because when I split the world again it might be that that area isn't causing the problem that time. For example: in my previous version the north scandinavian tile caused MapSource to crash, I don't know if it still does with this version.


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#83 2009-04-05 22:44:09

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Some map requests have failed today because the server harddisk was full. The problem has been resolved, but many unique and very large requests within 48 hours can trigger this again. I deleted directories with partial or completely failed builds. Please request again if your download link gives an "404 - Page not found" error.


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#84 2009-04-07 16:44:42

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Well, my next f*ckup has happened: I modified the cleanup script a bit which accidentally caused it to remove all combine request results. So if you happen to get a 404, page not found error, you will have to do your request again. Sorry for the inconvenience.


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#85 2009-04-08 18:10:51

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Hi Lambertus!

First of all, I'm for sure the next one in the row to say thanks to your great service! :-D

But as always, I also have a question to you...

About two weeks ago, you told some people to wait for your next map update to see if address search might work now. Therefore, I tried a map request for Germany today (finished in less than one hour, wow!) and tested the gmapsupp.img on my GPSMap 60Cx and my Nüvi 760TFM.

On both, only searching for streets seems to work, but not searching for cities. The Nüvi simply finds nothing when looking for a city while the GPSMap opens a very long list of towns, but tells me "nothing found" as soon as I only enter one letter.

(On the GPSMap, you can sometimes find an address by the following process: enter some "number" in the first field, enter the street name in the 2nd field and leave the city field empty. Now you should get a list of the named street in different cities - however, this list seems to be quite incomplete.)

So two questions:
* Was someone (probably you?) successful with the address search with the current maps?
* Which mkgmap snapshot do you exactly use? It would be great service if you could always announce the currently used SVN revision on the web site so one can see what the cards should provide...

Thanks again!

Gernot

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#86 2009-04-08 19:19:28

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Not everyone is technical enough to keep an eye on the Mkgmap SVN repository so I don't think it's useful to add the Mkgmap SVN version on the website. I try to use the latest (or one of the latest) Mkgmap versions available.
====

Address search:

Regarding searching for streetnames and addresses, I found the following on the Mkgmap mailinglist. (Afaik, this does not work for nüvi owners yet):

It does work with some known limitations.

1 - you need to enter a number or at least make the field blank. Otherwise, no addresses will be shown.

2 - the incremental search for city names does not work.

3 - incremental search doesn't work for road names consisting of only digits

Does this help you?

Please note that routing and especially looking up addresses is considered beta in Mkgmap, so don't expect it to work flawlessly. I'm sure quality will improve in time.


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#87 2009-04-08 20:30:11

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Well, I can't really follow your first argument. Including the SVN release would help people like me to see if you already use the latest one or if I have to test on my own. And it won't disturb others who don't understand what an SVN release is all about. Anyone out there should have a rough understanding about the concept of versions, so why should it confuse people? And if e.g. people using your maps will complain at the mkgmap people they can at least include some needed information. I don't see why this hurts anyone.

If it's too laborous for you, I can certainly understand, though... :-)

About the limitations: that's really great, thanks! I never tried entering the *full* city name. Now that works great for some cities - probably those ones which have the borders mapped in a correct fassion. However, I'm not able to search for cities with German Umlauts like München. :-(

But I think I'll check the missing bits with the mkgmap people directly.

Thanks for your quick answer and keep up the great work!!

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#88 2009-04-08 21:15:56

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Lambertus wrote:

I don't think it's useful to add the Mkgmap SVN version on the website.

Maybe not on the web site but you could add that somewhere in the dataset description, such as "OSM map (r991)". This might help to find bugs in mkgmap when somebody identifies a special case in a specific map version.

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#89 2009-04-09 10:38:00

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Ok, an extra file 'mkgmap.version' will be available in the webdirectory listing the mkgmap version. Is that good enough?


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#90 2009-04-09 11:27:58

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Lambertus wrote:

Ok, an extra file 'mkgmap.version' will be available in the webdirectory listing the mkgmap version. Is that good enough?

This will be gone after 48 hours. I think it should be linked to the maps in a way that one can always identify the version information. Currently the automatically generated gmapsupp.img is listed as "family name" on my GPS. This string could for instance read "OSM (date) (version)", giving both the date of the OSM data and the mkgmap version.

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#91 2009-04-09 13:46:53

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

You're not satisfied easilly, are you? tongue Well, I'll see what I can do...


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#92 2009-04-09 21:34:55

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Hi Lambertus, very very good service!! I like it very much because my tries to create large routable maps failed due to less RAM...

From my opinion you could reduce the space problem, if you either give the user a button "Ready - maps can be deleted on server" or you could automatically remove the maps e.g. 3 hours after the first completed download.

(A nice improvement would be a selection of different typ files, e.g. one for cars, one for bicycles etc.)

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#93 2009-04-09 21:42:53

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

WanMil wrote:

From my opinion you could reduce the space problem, if you either give the user a button "Ready - maps can be deleted on server" or you could automatically remove the maps e.g. 3 hours after the first completed download.

I think it will ok just to reduce time from to 30hrs... 3 hours is too short as I download my file offpeak which is usually 5-8 hrs later.
I think having some "pre-generated" files would reduce the need for some request.

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#94 2009-04-10 09:08:50

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

WanMil wrote:

From my opinion you could reduce the space problem, if you either give the user a button "Ready - maps can be deleted on server" or you could automatically remove the maps e.g. 3 hours after the first completed download.

I now have a script that will automatically delete old directories. I use the map id's to produce a MD5SUM so that I can reuse existing directories for multiple users. I'm still determining if this is really helpful and also which resource I need the most (e.g. disk space vs. CPU time). It is too early to say what is most important.

(A nice improvement would be a selection of different typ files, e.g. one for cars, one for bicycles etc.)

Yes, I'm also thinking about making a lot of the Garmin parameters configurable so that you can install multiple maps in MapSource and allow users to upload and use their own TYP files. This takes time however, and I also desperately need some time for myself and my GF so I'm going to let things be for a while.


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#95 2009-04-10 09:27:55

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Hello!

First of all, a big 'thank you' for your efforts, and along with you, to all the contributors of OSM.
Now, the problems smile
I just downloaded a map for Romania (I received the link around 20:20, on April 8th), and the East-European fonts are displayed as question marks (e.g. instead of Orăştie I get Or??tie). I am quite new to all this, but I could use some suggestions. Should I compile the maps myself and add certain switches to include font support?

Thanks!

P.S. The link is http://planetosm.oxilion.nl/~lambertus/ … a32222973/

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#96 2009-04-10 10:14:07

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

endlessjourney wrote:

Should I compile the maps myself and add certain switches to include font support?

If you are willing to do some tests to find out which parameters are needed for the build process then that would be great!

For the current maps I used the Mkgmap parameters --utf8 and --code-page=1252. These last parameter is apparently needed to get it working on the Garmin Mobile XT. I added the first parameter just to avoid the problems you're encountering....


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#97 2009-04-10 11:20:49

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Hi Lambertus, I love your service! Thanks a lot.

I still have some questions: Would it be difficult to add some different style or type of the map to select?
1. I can hardly see buildings because they are brown, like the background of the map and therefore i would prefer grey buildings.
2. When mapping some points are not shown (i.e. traffic_signals) it would be great if I could see them on the map, because the live checking if the map is complete would be much easier.
3. Or if you could a special mapping map which emphasize thing which need an update (like unamed highways).
4. To see contour lines for the high (hiking maps) would be a nice option in the lowest zoom level.
5. I would like to have the diving spots shown on the map (sport=diving) because it would be easier to find them.

Now I'm going to install the latest map to my Garmin60CSx. Thanks a lot that this is now easy!

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#98 2009-04-10 11:40:59

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Tric wrote:

Would it be difficult to add some different style or type of the map to select?

Answer:

Lambertus wrote:

Yes, I'm also thinking about making a lot of the Garmin parameters configurable so that you can install multiple maps in MapSource and allow users to upload and use their own TYP files. This takes time however, and I also desperately need some time for myself and my GF so I'm going to let things be for a while.

I don't know if all you requests can be implemented (by me at least). Things like diving spots are something that needs to be implemented in Mkgmap.


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#99 2009-04-10 22:15:29

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Hi Lambertus, I love the routable feature very much!

Today I noticed that phone cells are visible in a quite low resolution on my Garmin Oregon in which I don't expect POIs to be displayed. I think that's a mistake? Can you please check this?

And one more: Roundabouts are rendered with a higher level than usual streets, e.g. the roundabout and connected streets are highway=unclassified. The streets are rendered grey whereas the roundabout is orange.

Thanks!!

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#100 2009-04-12 06:24:43

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Are the roadtrip versions working for everybody? I submitted a request yesterday, the MapSource and gmapsupp versions are approx. 280 MB, and the Roadtrip version is only 87 MB. It seems to contain only one of the tiles...

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