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#201 2012-04-18 15:22:02

magnumns
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Re: Preslovljavanje (Transliteration)

I transliterator bi mogao da bude na cirilici, da ima izbor jezika (pisma) ili mozda da je posebna verzija...
Ovaj expert mod mogu samo jednom da selektujem, posle se zapuca?

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#202 2012-04-19 08:46:34

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Re: Preslovljavanje (Transliteration)

Please be more careful! Renaming the country Romania to cyrillic Serbian is a serious problem.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/90689
same with regions here
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1426985

If you are not able to use the script, stop it.


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#203 2012-04-19 09:11:56

Drazha
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Re: Preslovljavanje (Transliteration)

@Pedja: Izvini prijatelju, ali mi nije jasno kako si uspeo da preimenujes celu oblast u Madjarskoj, i celu granicu Rumunije na cirilicu?

Da budem sasvim iskren, trenutno sam misljenja da si koristio plugin i da si samo opalio po automatskom preslovljanju i da si gurnuo promene bez provere na server.

Ono, sto po meni, cini stvar jos gorom je to sto je mpele napravio sistem po kome moze da se proveri sta je to sto se menja duplim klikom tamo na odredjeno polje.

Ovakve greske su prilicno osnovne, i kao takve narusavaju ugled srpske zajednice na OSM-u...

Zamolio bih te da ove greske prepravis u najkracem mogucem roku.

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#204 2012-04-19 12:54:27

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Re: Preslovljavanje (Transliteration)

magnumns wrote:

Sta je sa tagovima official_name, addr:street i slicnima? I njih bi trebalo srediti.

U prinicpu ista pravila koja važe za name tagove treba da važe i za sve ostale tagove gde se upisuje tekst. No, malo je veliki zalogaj da se sad sve to radi odjednom. Prioritet su name tagovi jer se to vidi na mapi.

Jedan od predloga u vezi plagina je bio da se omogući da korsinik može sam da definiše koje tagove hoće da edituje. Nadam se a će to nekom prilikom biti omogućeno, tada ćemo moći da sređujemo i druge tagove osim name.

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#205 2012-04-20 15:44:52

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Re: Preslovljavanje (Transliteration)

I will try to fix things that were wrongly changed as the originators don't care. It is not just Pedja. The Danube (river relation) has been renamed to Дунав from Germany to Ukraine, Croatia was renamed to cyrllic as well (fixed already) and many smaller changes on the wrong side of a border. I will revert (undo) the complete changeset if it contains buggy edits as I will not check thousands of single nodes.


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#206 2012-04-20 16:55:57

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Re: Preslovljavanje (Transliteration)

I think problem is that manz objects were not split at border, so map database sees them as single long object. Any change on such object is applied to whole it's length, not just up to border.

Is there some tool that could split all objects crossing border line?

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#207 2012-04-20 17:41:27

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Re: Preslovljavanje (Transliteration)

Drazha wrote:

@Pedja: Izvini prijatelju, ali mi nije jasno kako si uspeo da preimenujes celu oblast u Madjarskoj, i celu granicu Rumunije na cirilicu?

Da budem sasvim iskren, trenutno sam misljenja da si koristio plugin i da si samo opalio po automatskom preslovljanju i da si gurnuo promene bez provere na server.

Ono, sto po meni, cini stvar jos gorom je to sto je mpele napravio sistem po kome moze da se proveri sta je to sto se menja duplim klikom tamo na odredjeno polje.

Ovakve greske su prilicno osnovne, i kao takve narusavaju ugled srpske zajednice na OSM-u...

Zamolio bih te da ove greske prepravis u najkracem mogucem roku.

Наравно да нисам све селектовао па пресловио аутоматски послао. Пресловљавање радим пажљиво и прегледам сваки слог пре слања. Нико није рекао да база садржи административне објекте других држава или објекте које не смем да пресловљавам па на то нисам ни обраћао пажњу све док није речено за границе. Како ја да претпоставим да објекат који се зове Vest није у Србији? На мапи погледам објекте који су ми сумњиви, а овај ми ни почему није изгледао да треба да се проверава.

Неколико пута сам поставио питања у вези са тим границама али се нико није нашао да ми појасни о чему се ради.

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#208 2012-04-20 18:38:08

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Re: Preslovljavanje (Transliteration)

in JOSM: File -> Download Object  -> change to relation, enter ID 1741311
So you can see the border and should know, which objects are difficult


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#209 2012-04-20 19:03:41

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Re: Preslovljavanje (Transliteration)

Pedja wrote:

Наравно да нисам све селектовао па пресловио аутоматски послао. Пресловљавање радим пажљиво и прегледам сваки слог пре слања. Нико није рекао да база садржи административне објекте других држава или објекте које не смем да пресловљавам па на то нисам ни обраћао пажњу све док није речено за границе. Како ја да претпоставим да објекат који се зове Vest није у Србији? На мапи погледам објекте који су ми сумњиви, а овај ми ни почему није изгледао да треба да се проверава.

Све ово су дечје болести које треба да прелeжимо што безболније. Вероватно сте приметили да су релације издвојене у посебне фајлове па ће и грешака бити мање - бар ће бити безопасније. Можда и да "сузимо границе " пограничних округа да не би залазили код комшија?



Поставио сам нову верзију плагина која садржи велике измене. Од видљивих новости је могућност да се прате додатни тагови по жељи - учитавају се и ажурирају на логичан начин, али аутоматизација не утиче на њих нити они на аутоматизацију. Демонстрације ради поставио сам да се прате тагови: highway, note и fixme . Да би се то променило само допишите шта још желите.

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#210 2012-04-20 19:20:39

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Re: Preslovljavanje (Transliteration)

Мораш уобичајити да кад пустиш објави з анову верзију ставиш и линк за преузмање. Сморим се сваки пут тражећи уназад по теми. smile

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#211 2012-04-21 22:40:02

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Re: Preslovljavanje (Transliteration)

As mentioned, there were a lot of edits with the script outside Serbia. I have reverted many changesets that caused most serious damages (for example renaming the country Romania to cyrillic serbian) and also made  edits to prevent international problems. However, there are still many small edits that needs to be corrected where name=cyrillic was  made outside Serbia with the script. Please find below a list of objects that needs to be fixed. You can disregard the relations...fixed in the meanwhile (or in KiM)
Take the node/way ID and add it to
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=....
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?node=....
to view it. I don't care about changes in KiM....that's your problem. But changes in Croatia, Hungary,....are wrong.
In JOSM go to <File> then <Download Object> then select what it is (way, relation, node) and enter ID

The below was generated automated....so it could be that some id is wrong. I have tested some samples and all were valid

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THIS WILL BE FIXED

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    <node id="26865059" version="4" timestamp="2012-04-20T00:36:32Z" uid="500313" user="Pedja" changeset="11359587" lat="43.9134093" lon="19.2845077">
    <node id="123860883" version="18" timestamp="2012-03-31T07:53:42Z" uid="560896" user="Ghybu" changeset="11163055" lat="42.4415238" lon="19.2621081">
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#212 2012-04-21 23:03:04

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Is there method to download all these object at once, not one by one?

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#213 2012-04-21 23:17:14

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Pedja wrote:

Is there method to download all these object at once, not one by one?

I am unable to do this. You should be aware that the scripts running on a database are like a loaded revolver. You fire and don't know that you have hit something far away. Let me check if I find a solution without asking the Data Working Group (something like the OSM police). But you can already start to fix some issues. At least it will shows your good will

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#214 2012-04-21 23:39:49

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It's not the script. We use plugin in JOSM to edit names on objects and preselected database of objects that are supposed to be edited. And due to how JOSM plugins work, we cannot see object on map but just the table. If objects we are dealing with do not look like placed outside of Serbia we set names wrongly.

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#215 2012-04-22 07:14:48

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SunCobalt wrote:
Pedja wrote:

Is there method to download all these object at once, not one by one?

I am unable to do this. You should be aware that the scripts running on a database are like a loaded revolver. You fire and don't know that you have hit something far away. Let me check if I find a solution without asking the Data Working Group (something like the OSM police). But you can already start to fix some issues. At least it will shows your good will

Не би требало да је проблем учитати све одједном (затворити елементе, пребацити у osm структуру, учитати у ЈОСМ, урадити update, и аутоматски пресловити на латиницу). Проблем је што се са тиме ништа не решава, бар не дугорочно. Ови објекти ће се и даље појављивати за пресловљавање. Можемо их означити да их не треба дирати али онда ће бити проблема са новокреираним у спорној области.

Једино решење које видим је да се направи "ужа" Србија и да њене границе буду "унутар" за довољно растојање да се не залази у суседне земље. Овиме бисмо имали непокривену нашу пограничну област што је безболније од тога да покривамо и комшијско.

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#216 2012-04-22 11:38:58

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Trebalo bi da iznađemo zašto se ti objekti uključuju ako stvarno jesu su van granica, možda one POLY datoteke nisu dovoljno precizne.

Jel neko već pogledo neki od gore navedenih problematičnih objekata? Dajte npr. id iz liste iznad nekog objekta blizu Hrvatske granice pa da pokušam da pogledam šta se dešava...

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#217 2012-04-22 13:47:35

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kmilos wrote:

Trebalo bi da iznađemo zašto se ti objekti uključuju ako stvarno jesu su van granica, možda one POLY datoteke nisu dovoljno precizne.

I have converted the OSM border to a POLY file and used this.

@mpele
Rather than changing the name for all objects loaded in JOSM, it would be more safe if the plugin only reads objects that were selected by the user before. With holding shift, people can select as many objects as they want.


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#218 2012-04-22 15:06:14

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Poly file koji se može skinuti sa geofabrik/cloudmate/.. i sličnih stranica je prilagođena granica države, ali na taj način da je cijela država unutar tog poligona. RH granica ima prkeo 20k točaka, a croatia.poly ima 400-tinjak točaka. Razlog je sasvim jednostavan, cpu time. Prije sam testirao tih 400 i tih +20k točaka i razika je bila 30 minuta prema 6-12 sati. Nije točan omjer jer se više nesjećam, ali tako nekako je, uglavnom nije korisno kad se radi extract cjelog planeta na taj način.
Tako da svaki .poly od svake države je složen na taj način da što manjim djelom zahvaća susjedne države ali da čitava država bude okružena sa što manje točaka.
Mi u RH imamo 100-500 metara susjednih država.

Ako želite čisto područje države preporuka je sljedeća, preuzeti serbia.osm.bz2 i iz tog fajla izvući extract preko točne granice pretvorene u .poly

Pozdrav.


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#219 2012-04-22 15:26:30

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@hbogner
To upravo i radimo: krećemo od serbia.osm.bz2 i razbijamo na sitnije celine koristeći POLY datoteke koje smo sami napravili (ne sa Cloudmatea, već koristeći stvarne relacije okruga i getbound.pl skriptu). Negde nešto nije leglo najbolje izgleda...

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#220 2012-04-22 17:20:54

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Ja sam koristio osm2poly.pl
Prvo u joms povukao relacije granica, ocistio ih, provjerio, simplify & save.
I kasnije samo osm2poly.pl granica.osm

getbound.pl mi zvuci kao da povlaci granicu preko api-ja.


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#221 2012-04-23 18:58:01

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SunCobalt wrote:

@mpele
Rather than changing the name for all objects loaded in JOSM, it would be more safe if the plugin only reads objects that were selected by the user before. With holding shift, people can select as many objects as they want.

That is exactly way that plugin works. It even couldn't be started if there is no selection.

@hbogner, хвала на разувевању на наше проблеме. Хвала што не правите тензије.


Има ли неког помака у истрази где је проблем? Сада бих и могао да одвојим мало времена да помогнем?

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#222 2012-04-23 20:14:41

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Evo jedan clue: lektura za Sremski okrug je sadržala žel. stanicu Tovarnik (i deo pruge) koji su u Hrvatskoj...

Evo sam možda i provalio: pruga i granična linija dele čvor, što možda ne bi trebalo, odlepiću ih...

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#223 2012-04-24 02:40:45

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Што се мене тиче заврио сам са транслитерацијом. Потроших силно време да средим називе у ужичком крају а видим сад неко враћа на латиницу. Немам времена ни воље да радим ствари узалуд.

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#224 2012-04-24 07:36:09

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@Pedja: Zamolio bi te da ili podelis sa nama jedan objekat koji je neko preimenovao, ili da sam utvrdis ime / nalog individue koje menja naziv nazad na latinicu.

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#225 2012-04-24 15:33:58

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@Pedja
Na par primera oko Užica koliko sam pogledao, stvar je u tome da je Tomas odradio revert tvojih _celih_ izmena koje su uključivale (nenamerne) izmene objekata koji su bili van naših granica, tako da su željene izmene postala kolateralna šteta. sad

Moraš ga razumeti, čovek nema vremena da selektivno juri i vraća samo upitne objekte, niti treba da se bavi ovime. Više puta ti je skrenuta pažnja da to sam odradiš, tako da nema mesta za ljutnju.

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