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#126 2013-02-07 14:35:09

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

A new version of the test map is online, openfietsmap_lite will follow in a few hours. Enjoy!

Edit: offtopic discussion about Overpass API moved to here.

Last edited by Lambertus (2013-02-08 09:13:23)


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#127 2013-02-07 17:00:03

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

Doesn't look too bad wink, altough I see some items that could be improved (landuse=grass is not rendered at all, only meadow, forests disappear too quickly but maybe that is intended because the maps shouldnt be too heavy); custom garmin icons are very ugly etc etc.

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#128 2013-02-09 18:41:42

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

Hi,

Thanks for providing the maps.
Could you put screenshoots of the map to compare the different rendering (*) and avoid for everybody the need to download each sets just to see how they look like?

*: Generic Routable ; Generic Routable mapnik style ; Generic Routable (testing new style)

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#129 2013-02-09 20:59:55

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

Great idea. Why don't you do it? Just identify an interesting looking location, download that one tile, install it in MapSource or Basecamp and post the screenshots somewhere.

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#130 2013-02-09 22:42:44

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

I can't do it myself because I run Linux so I can't use MapSource or Basecamp.
Also I have downloaded the new testing style but I don't see the difference with the mapnik style, that's why I was asking.

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#131 2013-02-10 01:15:31

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

Ok, here are two quick samples:

Mapnik.png  https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/V … directlink
Mapnik style. This is just a typ file, changing the appearance of the normally compiled map. Note the 2 bike shops with hairdresser icons.

NewStyle.png  https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/L … directlink
This is the new style. It re-uses a lot of the default Garmin icons, rather than the smaller Mapnik ones. At some zoom levels bridges are visible as such. The gas station labels need a little more work.

As we continue to make changes to the New Style features should start to appear that will not show in the other styles. I'm thinking of barriers, like check points (police/military), toll gates and others.

Sorry about the messy post, I'm having problems linking to my pictures.

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#132 2013-02-10 01:36:03

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

Mapsource runs under wine.


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#133 2013-02-10 12:48:49

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

osmgeneric_old.jpg
Old style without typ file

osmgeneric_mapnik.jpg
Old style with mapnik typ file

osmgeneric_new.jpg
New style

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#134 2013-02-10 15:05:30

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

I'm afraid you can't reliably draw oneway arrows, some nuvis don't follow line direction when drawing line pattern. And this was probably a feature designed for car navigation. As far as I know, this should work in Mapsource/BaseCamp and outdoor GPS.


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#135 2013-02-10 15:49:37

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

Oneway arrows work on the nüvi 2xx/3xx but I havent tested it on newer models. What doesnt work very well is symbols on left or right side, like cycleway:right=lane or cycleway:left=lane.
This is drawn on the opposite side on gps models compared with Basecamp and Mapsource.

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#136 2013-02-10 16:17:08

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

I can see problems on nuvi 2340 and nuvi 1440, probably both generations can behave this way. Nuvi 34xx seems to work ok. But my maps are different, lines aren't roads and pattern asymmetry is in different direction. I would have to download your maps and check.

Edit: older nuvi are much more free maps friendly. Quality of map look degraded badly in new models, you simply can't expect that map will look like in Mapsource. POI are missing, street line width depends on nuvi theme, area patterns don't work correctly in series 1xxx. Garmin is probably not interested in maintaining compatibility with older maps.

Edit: direction of arrows is ok, only these nuvi swap at random position of arrows from right to left.

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#137 2013-02-11 09:47:01

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

popej wrote:

Edit: direction of arrows is ok, only these nuvi swap at random position of arrows from right to left.

Ok, im glad to hear that. The position left or right depends on the unit and is a Garmin bug. I reported it to Garmin but they havent done anything, seems they dont care. hmm

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#138 2013-02-11 17:31:26

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

ligfietser wrote:

Doesn't look too bad wink, altough I see some items that could be improved (landuse=grass is not rendered at all, only meadow, forests disappear too quickly but maybe that is intended because the maps shouldnt be too heavy); custom garmin icons are very ugly etc etc.

Committed some changes in the polygons style file:
Added: boundary = national_park/nature_reserve/protected_area, landuse=grass
Removed: man_made=groyne/reinforced_slope
Adjusted some zoomlevels

Last edited by ligfietser (2013-02-11 17:33:13)

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#139 2013-02-18 01:59:47

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

Overall, I'm really liking the new style, but one issue I noticed when using it while hiking yesterday is that on my Montana, the brown dotted lines for hiking trails are nearly invisible atop a green background (as is used on national forest boundaries in the U.S.), and completely impossible to see when hill shading is also present. Is it possible to have a white outline around the brown, so it has better contrast over dark backgrounds?

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#140 2013-02-18 02:15:22

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

Thanks for that feedback. Outlines probably won't work very well, but I think we should look at using a different colour that contrasts the green better. Perhaps if it was a darker brown?

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#141 2013-02-18 09:05:55

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

I don't see why outlines won't work, they would be better visible in the forests, thanks for your suggestion.
Can you try this type file: http://mkgmap-style-sheets.googlecode.c … t/2000.typ

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#142 2013-02-18 17:46:40

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

If the link to the typ file was directed to me, using it (I changed it with JaVaWa GMTK) doesn't seem to make a noticeable difference for hiking trails (highway=path and highway=footway both), at least within BaseCamp:

osm_garmin-trails-new_style.png

I'm also including how the trails used to look (and look still with no typ file) just for comparison—the white in between the brown seems a big factor in making them visible:

osm_garmin-trails-old_style.png

Note that the new ones are a lot more visible in the BaseCamp screenshot than they were on the actual device. The hill shading on the device undoubtedly has a lot to do with that, but also perhaps screen glare, etc.

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#143 2013-02-18 18:36:46

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

jonathan, maybe you have to clear the cache first to see the new typ file (2x ctrl-G), Basecamp probably used the old layout from the cache.
Hill shading makes the device unreadable, I always turn it off.

This is how it should look, you can edit the typ file with a typ file editor, the Garmin type for path is line 0x16
0x16.png

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#144 2013-06-21 13:29:42

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

Any chance that ski lifts be included in the maps?

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#145 2013-06-21 14:33:46

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

Ciprol wrote:

Any chance that ski lifts be included in the maps?

Good question, on the Openfietsmap a few are already rendered, so yes that wouldnt be too difficult:
aerialway=cable_car
aerialway=gondola

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ski_Lift

Let me know which other types are important too?

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#146 2013-06-22 00:39:01

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

ligfietser wrote:

aerialway=cable_car
aerialway=gondola
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ski_Lift
Let me know which other types are important too?

Thanks. I think the consideration here is for Garmin equipped recreational skiers and that all ski lifts should be included ie. From magic carpet to gondola. As a minimum, maybe not magic carpets but T-bar and above. This would make unfamiliar ski resorts that much easier to navigate. cool

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#147 2013-06-22 10:02:06

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

I think it make sense to render aerialway = cable_car, gondola,  chair_lift,  mixed_lift, but I doubt if we should render T-bars and drag lifts etc, for this you better use a specific osm ski map?

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#148 2013-06-22 17:17:40

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

Ski lifts usually are placed in an area, that doesn't contain many map objects. You don't risk to make map overloaded even including all of them.


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#149 2013-06-23 13:51:45

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

Hi,

I am using your maps (tdb version) with TTQV4 Software. With the new style there is an ugly brown diagonal hatch in the background all over the map. With the old style the background is white (as it should be) and only urban areas are shown as brown hatch. I tested this with Denmark and a while ago with Romania. Unfortunately TTQV4 cannot use TYP files. Do you see any chance to remove the brown hatch and getting a white backgrund with the new style?

thanks
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#150 2013-06-24 07:36:11

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: Missing/incorrect feature requests

Thanks Wolfgang, I'll see what I can do. The reason for choosing a different background was that the default background showed "ghost shading" when zooming in/out, but I think this issue has been solved already.

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