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#76 2011-07-17 06:52:25

talkat
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Re: Importing official data from Keren Kayemet LeIsrael

dimka wrote:

There should be 278 forests overall.

There are now. :-)

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#77 2017-07-13 11:29:59

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Re: Importing official data from Keren Kayemet LeIsrael

The KKL import seems low quality in some areas... In the Carmel region it's often detached completely from what's on the ground. I currently just delete and replace whenever I encounter this.

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#78 2017-07-13 14:37:24

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Re: Importing official data from Keren Kayemet LeIsrael

It denotes KKL-administered areas pretty accurately. There's an assumption that those are forests, but that is often not the case.

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#79 2017-07-13 19:09:12

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Re: Importing official data from Keren Kayemet LeIsrael

Also, often times the administrated area is a fraction of the entire forest.

When the actual forest is different from the KKL administrated area, do you think the latter has relevance to a map user and should be preserved? Or should we map purely the physical features and delete it?

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#80 2017-07-13 21:42:27

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Re: Importing official data from Keren Kayemet LeIsrael

Only the physical forest matters.

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#81 2017-07-15 17:52:07

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Re: Importing official data from Keren Kayemet LeIsrael

I would say the "this portion is administered by KKL" tagging should be kept if it is present and accurate, and removed otherwise.

Rationale: 1) the map should have no incorrect data, 2) the extra information is conceivably interesting to some data consumers.  By analogy, if KKL were a municipality and the forest was a built-up area, we'd map the city limits even though there are buildings both inside and outside those limits, won't we?

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#82 2017-07-15 22:21:07

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Re: Importing official data from Keren Kayemet LeIsrael

My 2 cents, based on reasonable guesses:

In my opinion, it is unlikely to be used except for very specific and extremely obscure cases. Furthermore, someone who wants such specialized data likely knows exactly what they're doing, and can obtain it directly from KKL, where it'd be more up to date. The OSM data is 5 years old.

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#83 2017-07-18 12:33:36

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Re: Importing official data from Keren Kayemet LeIsrael

Sure, if the data is out of date, then either tag it appropriately or delete it, and let interested parties fetch it from the edit history or from KKL.  (Sorry, didn't see your answer before.)

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#84 2017-08-12 23:35:43

eric22
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Re: Importing official data from Keren Kayemet LeIsrael

I think people have been editing these relations on the assumption that they represent physical forests. Nobody should use them for KKL administration data - they will likely be very inaccurate now.

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