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#76 2010-12-01 08:21:17

talkat
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Re: Israel Hiking map

dimka wrote:
talkat wrote:

Updates from Lonvia's Hiking Map:
It now supports our 3 color markings for the Israel Trail and the Golan Trail.
See example here.

There's also added support for orange_stripe, which was missing.

Maybe the order of the stripes for INT and Golan should be reversed? See here.

Doesn't it depend whether you go north-south or south-north?

If we change them, we need to inform Lonvia.
(and I'll need to update my script, but for you I'll do it free of charge. ;-) )

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#77 2010-12-01 09:07:33

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Re: Israel Hiking map

talkat wrote:
dimka wrote:

Maybe the order of the stripes for INT and Golan should be reversed? See here.

Doesn't it depend whether you go north-south or south-north?

If we change them, we need to inform Lonvia.
(and I'll need to update my script, but for you I'll do it free of charge. ;-) )

I don't know for sure, but here's what Wikipedia has to say about the matter:

סימון השביל
סימון השביל מורכב משלושה פסים אנכיים - לבן מימין כחול באמצע וכתום משמאל. אם הפס הלבן מדורג גבוה מהאחרים משמע הנך צועד בשביל ישראל מדרום לצפון (לבן - לכיוון השלג). אם הפס הכתום מדורג גבוה מהאחרים משמע הנך צועד בשביל מצפון לדרום (כתום - לכיוון צבע החול הנגב והמדבר).

We better make sure before changing anything, I wouldn't want to give you extra work :-)

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#78 2010-12-01 09:30:15

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Re: Israel Hiking map

dimka wrote:
talkat wrote:
dimka wrote:

Maybe the order of the stripes for INT and Golan should be reversed? See here.

Doesn't it depend whether you go north-south or south-north?

If we change them, we need to inform Lonvia.

I don't know for sure, but here's what Wikipedia has to say about the matter:

סימון השביל
סימון השביל מורכב משלושה פסים אנכיים - לבן מימין כחול באמצע וכתום משמאל. אם הפס הלבן מדורג גבוה מהאחרים משמע הנך צועד בשביל ישראל מדרום לצפון (לבן - לכיוון השלג). אם הפס הכתום מדורג גבוה מהאחרים משמע הנך צועד בשביל מצפון לדרום (כתום - לכיוון צבע החול הנגב והמדבר).

Ooops, youre right! My bad.
Ok, I'll inform Lonvia.

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#79 2010-12-01 09:33:44

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Re: Israel Hiking map

All LCN's but the Ness Tziona route (which I'm not familiar with) are also hiking trails.
What is the default? (I've previously proposed hiking with bicycle=yes)
And BTW... horses...
K20 was builed with horses and not bikes in mind.
I did not check yet but it should be taged accordingly.

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#80 2010-12-01 09:40:26

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Re: Israel Hiking map

DoK wrote:

All LCN's but the Ness Tziona route (which I'm not familiar with) are also hiking trails.
What is the default? (I've previously proposed hiking with bicycle=yes)
And BTW... horses...
K20 was builed with horses and not bikes in mind.
I did not check yet but it should be taged accordingly.

Ness Ziona Scenic is definitely NOT a hiking trail, it doesn't have ITC markings.
Are the other LCN's officially marked as biking routes?

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#81 2010-12-01 09:42:20

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The Nes Ziona route is marked with a Bike symbols along its length and tends to go up and down hills for biking fun. Hikers are allowed of course.

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#82 2010-12-01 09:56:19

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Re: Israel Hiking map

DoK wrote:

All LCN's but the Ness Tziona route (which I'm not familiar with) are also hiking trails.
What is the default? (I've previously proposed hiking with bicycle=yes)

FYI, Lonvia only shows routes where route=hiking
(route=bicycle are not shown on the map at all!)


I agree that the default should be route=hiking except were this is a specific bicycle route, like the TLV-JM Route, and the Nes Ziona Route.

DoK wrote:

And BTW... horses...
K20 was builed with horses and not bikes in mind.
I did not check yet but it should be taged accordingly.

According to the Key:access wiki page, horse routes should be tagged as route=horse.

Strange that the Key:route wiki page doesn't mention horse routes.
I remember seeing many of them in the UK.


Not only dimka gives me additional work, now you make me change the IsraelTrails script to include horse routes?... ;-)


P.S.
How about bus routes?
We have quite a few in Beer Sheva, and only a handful in Netanya and Jerusalem.
But that's for another topic...

talkat.

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#83 2010-12-01 12:39:48

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Re: Israel Hiking map

bridleway is the name for a horse-riding route.

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#84 2010-12-02 00:21:14

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Re: Israel Hiking map

valleyofdawn wrote:

bridleway is the name for a horse-riding route.

No, that is the tagging of the way itself. For the relation route=horse is the correct tagging, but they are scarce. AFAIK they are only rendered on the hiking&trail riding map.

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#85 2010-12-02 09:00:23

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Re: Israel Hiking map

OK
Since the horses are probably best described as "an exotic mean for traveling" we can probably ignore it and wait for some riding fan to work on this issue in the future.

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#86 2010-12-02 09:41:47

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Re: Israel Hiking map

DoK wrote:

OK
Since the horses are probably best described as "an exotic mean for traveling" we can probably ignore it and wait for some riding fan to work on this issue in the future.

Maybe in the meantime, add horse=designated to the ways?

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#87 2010-12-02 17:49:39

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Re: Israel Hiking map

talkat wrote:

Updates from Lonvia's Hiking Map:
It now supports our 3 color markings for the Israel Trail and the Golan Trail.
See example here.

There's also added support for orange_stripe, which was missing.

As of this moment, the INT and the Golan seem to have the old markings on lonvia.

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#88 2010-12-02 19:22:04

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Re: Israel Hiking map

dimka wrote:
talkat wrote:

Updates from Lonvia's Hiking Map:
It now supports our 3 color markings for the Israel Trail and the Golan Trail.
See example here.

There's also added support for orange_stripe, which was missing.

As of this moment, the INT and the Golan seem to have the old markings on lonvia.

That's because someone (ahem...) noticed that the white stripe wasn't on the right, and Lonvia doesn't support it yet... ;-)

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#89 2010-12-02 19:27:01

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I wonder, who would this be? ;;;;;-)

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#90 2010-12-05 13:45:03

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Re: Israel Hiking map

dimka wrote:
talkat wrote:

Updates from Lonvia's Hiking Map:
It now supports our 3 color markings for the Israel Trail and the Golan Trail.
See example here.

There's also added support for orange_stripe, which was missing.

As of this moment, the INT and the Golan seem to have the old markings on lonvia.

Lonvia is now showing INT and the Golan Trail correctly. :-)

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#91 2010-12-06 20:04:53

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Re: Israel Hiking map

Congratulations -
hikebikemap is now showing black bars and stripes
e.g. http://hikebikemap.de/?zoom=14&lat=31.79399&lon=35.0547

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#92 2010-12-07 11:47:48

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Would have looked better if it had a thin line framing the symbols (like Lonvia has); The white stripes blend with the pale background.

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#93 2010-12-08 12:25:14

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I agree but I find it not critical.
Colin is highly responsive and prooved very cooperative so I might drop him a note if you have'nt done so yet.

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#94 2010-12-08 21:27:34

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I haven't. Go ahead. And if you come to that, what's the point in having symbols in 2 different sizes?

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#95 2010-12-09 08:22:24

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Re: Israel Hiking map

Message sent.
Regarding the sizes -
Compare
http://hikebikemap.de/?zoom=13&lat=31.7 … n=35.06621
http://osm.lonvia.de/world_hiking.html? … n=35.06621
I find the hikebikemap use of two sizes to give more accurate marking and less interfering with the basic map (thanks to the tightly spreaded small markings) while yet having an eye catching effect (thanks to the sparse larger markings).

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#96 2010-12-09 10:02:49

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I guess it's a matter of taste.
I would have the smaller ones only, and sparser.

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#97 2010-12-11 19:08:30

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This is a quote of Colins replay

Colin wrote:

I had actually started out like that 2 years ago - it didn't look good.

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#98 2010-12-14 20:56:31

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Re: Israel Hiking map

I received permission from Raz Goren to upload his GPX files to openstreetmap.
Visit http://sites.google.com/site/mountainbikeridesinisrael/ for a whole bunch of info about mountain biking in Israel.
I'll start working with it tomorrow.

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#99 2010-12-17 10:26:40

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Re: Israel Hiking map

DoK wrote:

I received permission from Raz Goren to upload his GPX files to openstreetmap.
Visit http://sites.google.com/site/mountainbikeridesinisrael/ for a whole bunch of info about mountain biking in Israel.
I'll start working with it tomorrow.

Wow smile

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#100 2011-04-12 12:51:51

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Among biking rail relations, the Adulam and Einav Singles are currently tagged regional networks. Shouldn't we call them local?
Right now I think only "Yam to Yam" in regional, and Shvil Israel (to be) is national.

Valley

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