Brian, I believe we operate from shared values, as I’ve certainly been vocally critical of Flash in the past. Still, your posts have felt rather dismissive towards people like Richard who invest countless hours of their time in the development of OSM editors.
Richard most likely has a thicker skin than I do, but as a developer, let me say that it can be very hurtful to have your work devalued. On the whole, the OSM community strikes me as a friendly and welcoming bunch, and I hope we all continue to hold ourselves to a high standard of behaviour.
Also, let’s keep in mind that Potlatch is no longer the default editor, and Flash is no longer a real danger to open internet standards. So the stakes just aren’t all that high anymore. Today, both are a relatively niche option that people can seek out voluntarily. I’m a JOSM user, but I’m still grateful for the diversity of editors available to the mapper community. Choice, healthy competition, and mutual inspiration are beneficial for the project as a whole.
@bodaggin: Sorry that your thread got derailed a bit (and that I’m ultimately contributing to the off-topic content with this post). I believe your initial question has been answered, and if you have any further questions I’m sure people will be glad to help! In the meantime, I hope you enjoy mapping, no matter which editor works best for you.
Been there, done that, thrown away the T-shirt. But the converse is also true. As a user, it can be very hurtful to have your comments devalued. I twice mentioned that when iD was broken for some of us, I tried P2 and found it unable to do what I wanted to do, something which was very easy in iD.
With my developer hat on, if I’d seen a comment like that from somebody, however obnoxious, even somebody who swore never to use my product again, I’d still want to know what my s/w was lacking. Even if it turned out to be a PEBKAC error, maybe the UI and/or documentation could be improved. Instead, the response was “I’m not quite sure why I should remotely care what editor you choose to use?”
So, both sides at fault. With a happy resolution. I’m never going to use P2 again and Richard doesn’t care which editor I use. Both of us are happy. Ecstatic, even. I will continue to be critical of Flash (when and where appropriate) but I will not criticise P2. If somebody asks about alternative editors I might suggest JOSM (although I hate Java, both as a language and as a run-time) or Merkaartor (no package for my distro and too many dependencies that I’d have to install before it will compile) or Vespucci on Android, even though I’ve not tried any of them. In fact I’d suggest any other editor I’ve heard of, because one of them might be well-suited to what the person wants to do. However, I will never recommend or even suggest the use of P2 to anyone under any circumstances, and that is a direct consequence of this thread. Fault me on that decision if you wish, but it’s not going to change.
No Brian - only one side is at fault here, and that’s you. Tordanik summed it up excellently above. A community like OSM works if people respect each other and treat each other in a civil manner. Your “A few thoughts” message is entirely offtopic in this thread and adds no value here.
somewhat ironic, given the thread above - the latest JOSM from the JOSM site doesn’t run on the latest version of Ubuntu, through no fault of the JOSM developers, but Potlatch 1 and 2 both do. Just a bit of a cockup at Ubuntu that I’m sure will be fixed very shortly.
Getting back to the original topic, can anyone comment on how this could be represented ?
At a nearby school, there are two restrictions:
a 400m school zone signed as “25 km/h when children are present”
an emu crossing with red and white poles “within” the school zone that is only operational when special flags are attached to the poles.
(Note: when in operation the speed of the emu crossing is also 25 km/h when children are present like the school zone itself, however cars must stop for crossing pedestrian i.e pedestrians have right of way over all other vehicles when the flags are up)
