Special case in bus mapping not in the wiki

Good evening,

I am trying to map the whole public bus system in Palma (Mallorca, Spain). Currently it is partially mapped, but it does not follow the recommendations in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport.

After reading the docs and sending some doubts to the mailing lists, almost all my doubts are solved. To sum up, I have to create a bus_stop and a platform next to it. The public transport provides some examples on how to map it http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport#Examples

But I found a case that happens often in Palma’s bus network and I didn’t find any solution for:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/669639885
http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3684591877

These are two bus stops, of the same line, exactly one in front of the other but with different code and name. In this case what should I do? Creating a bus stop and two platforms and assign the station code and name in the platforms? (All the examples put the name in the bus stop)

Thanks in advance.

In Belgium I’ve been developing a system that works for us.

I don’t know why the examples on the wiki make the stop_position node the one with all the details.

Over here it’s the node next to the way, that has historically received the highway=bus_stop tag and now public_transport=platform, bus=yes + all the details like name, ref, route_ref, zone, etc.

If there is an actual platform, it gets mapped as a way or an area; separately though.

Then all the objects which belong together for 1 direction get grouped together in a stop_area. 1 per direction of travel, which get grouped together in the mistakenly abolished stop_area_group.

I’d like to see the next version of the public transport scheme changed in this direction. But I’m not holding my breath this will happen.

For the route relations, we’re only adding those public_transport=platform, bus=yes, highway=bus_stop nodes. Not the stop_positions (which aren’t all mapped anyway yet), nor the platform ways. This gives a very clean route relation per variation. Containing nodes for the bus stops and ways for the itinerary.

Figuring out which platforms, shelters, benches, waste baskets and stop positions belong together can be done conveniently using those stop_area relations.

Polyglot

Hello,

Thanks for answering. Could you point me out some of these relations you are mapping, so I can have check it out, please?

Cheers

This is an example of a bus stop serving for 2 different public transport companies:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2183110556

It’s a member of 1 stop_area.

TEC assigned a different name to it than De Lijn, hence the name:TEC

the ref, route_ref and zone information is different as well between the PT companies.

This is an example of a stop in Brussels, served by De Lijn, STIB, and 2 branches of TEC:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/485938967

This one shares a stop_position with its counterpart:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3028629992
No stop_area relation yet though.

A better example:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3049915998

Polyglot

Great examples, they (specially the last one) are in the line I had in mind (but I preferred to double check, just in case). Thanks a lot.

Hi Kintaro,

I converted the bus routes to what could be called public_transport:version=2. I added stop_position and split the ways for what I hope are the terminus stops.

Please correct it if those aren’t the terminuses.

Also are there variations which don’t serve Florència?

In that case 2 more route relations would be needed.

Jo

Hi,

Where did you perform that? In the routes you pointed me before? (The Belgian ones)

Cheers

Annoyingly everything got uploaded except for the route relations…

I’ll do it once again.

Jo

Hi,

I converted the route relations to 1 route per direction/variation.

In the schedules I found, I didn’t see anything about the western branch Cami de Raixa.

If there are more variations, let me know which stops they serve. It means more route relations would be needed. Hopefully I got the terminal stops correct on each side of the itineraries.

Jo

Oh, I developed a few tricks to make the job easier. One is a MapCSS file which shows a route relation with an odbl=new tag emphasized, so both the stops and the itinerary stand out from the rest. This makes a world of difference to work with those route relations.

Jo