JOSM presets for Thailand

Looks good to me. I’m wondering about the banks: many of the major banks now use their abbreviated names as the branding in most of their marketing material (e.g. the Facebook pages of SCB, KTB and KBank). Would these be a better choice for the brand tag than their rather unwieldy full names (which could be used to fill the operator field)?

Sounds plausible. As a brand is the “word” or sentence they use for the marketing of their service. I have some of these in the preset names, like SCB or BAAC.

What is your suggestion for *:th? For you as a native speaker: Is it considered useful? Would you expect to see Thai characters on a “Thai” map or the Latin characters?

Suggestions for the brand values for banks are welcome.

I’m not quite sure. I’d expect to see some Latin characters in a map aimed for the general Thai audience. For example, “เซเว่น อีเลฟเว่น” feels much clunkier than “7-Eleven”. But then if one is of the position that the *:th tags are meant to represent the Thai language to the greatest extent possible, (e.g. so that Thai-readers who don’t read Latin characters may use the map) it makes sense to follow that rule. The Thai Wikipedia, for example, does this.

Personally I feel that the default (non-language-specific) tags could serve as a compromise, employing Latin characters where most people would expect them, with Thai for the rest. But then actual application would also call for judgement, (what do “most people” actually think?) and may lead to inconsistencies. (“SCB” feels normal to me, but “BAAC” doesn’t—I’d expect to see “ธ.ก.ส.” instead. Do others feel the same way?)

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What kind of tagging would you expect for LPG/CNG besides the ones I already have in the preset?

It offers these two:

key="fuel:lpg" text="LPG (Liquefied petroleum gas)"
key="fuel:cng" text="CNG/NGV (Compressed Natural Gas)"

For diesel: I never seen one of the brand-name stations which didn’t have it.
Does it make sense to add tagging for it? I ask for the more “exotic” fuel types as these might be harder to find.

To make issue tracking a bit easier it is possible to file issues here:
http://code.osm-tools.org/josm-thai-presets

you can also follow the progress of the development.

I suggest adding this location to JOSM so you will get automatic updates of the preset:
https://drone.io/bitbucket.org/stephankn/josm-thai-presets/files/target/josm-thai-presets.zip

JOSM checks every 7 days, for a more often update remove the cached copy from your users-directory.
Meanwhile a larger selection of branded POI has been added.

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Krungsri was already there but using the long name of the bank: “Bank of Ayudhya”. As Krungsri is the brand they use I changed the preset accordingly.
Still waiting for some more opinions on how to tag the other banks. Use short names like BAAC, SCP, … for them instead of the long name?

Currently the main mapnik style uses name for labels, but is supposed to switch to “brand” for many categories. Follow 698 in the issue tracker for more details.

For fuel stations.

I have only seen them separate. Either liquid fuel or gas. So the presets only ask for type of CNG/LPG for these. For the liquid fuel it asks for specialties which might not be available at the specific station.

Is there a demand for having more fuel types?
Which ones? especially tagging of the gasoline/gasohol seems to be not yet established.

Stephan

I’m not sure how useful this practice is but I currently use tags for both gasohols (91 and 95 octane), both gasolines or benzines (91 and 95 octane), diesel, E20 and E85. In cases where I cannot determine the octane rating from my drive-by photo I fall back to just fuel:gasohol=yes, and/or fuel:gasoline=yes.

Also, I came across a couple of name brand stations (PTT, Caltex) that are offering either CNG or LPG in addition to the normal fuel types. You might want to include checkboxes for those fuels as well.

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/7S6

Cheers,

Dave

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I don’t think adding phone numbers for franchises is a good idea. The field might be better reserved for each branch’s direct line.

An extremely valuable addition, especially in light of the conversation here: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=23755, would be a preset for Thai addresses that used either or both of the common naming conventions as specified in the Wiki here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Thailand#Administrative_levels

I’m always needing to look to see what the proper corresponding tag is for tambon, amphoe or changwat. If it were arranged in a preset as

**
addr:housenumber [text box]
addr:street [text box]
addr:province(changwat): [text box]
addr:district (amphoe): [text box]
addr:subdistrict (tambon): [text box]
addr:country
etc.
etc.**

This will requite a bit of work on your part and if you decide not to do it I’ll probably go ahead on my own but I think it would make a very useful addition to your Thai-centric Preset Group. We could achieve much better consistency with such a guide right in front of us in the preset.

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I know how to do it, Rocket :roll_eyes: I was thinking it would go well in Stephan’s collection so everyone could use it.

Thanks for your reply…

Stephan,

I see that you have added Caltex in all uppercase in your presets, I don’t see a reason for it to be all uppercased.

I know their logo is all uppercased, but so is most logos. I find it more important how they do it when they talk about themselves, e.g. in letters, on websites and similar.

A quick look at their website reveals that they do not use all uppercase when they use their name:
http://www.caltex.com

What do you think?

Good idea. I added cuisine for KFC, McDonald’s and others. Swensen had it already. Review here. Update JOSM by clearing cache or simply wait two weeks.
http://code.osm-tools.org/josm-thai-presets/commits/07b3e9c679cf0f3a3a2469376cc7ab6bfbf1e4e7

Not sure about the phone number as it’s a short dial. We should use international format phone numbers. Also I find a call center number a bit unsuitable.
Similar feelings about the website of the franchise. Does it really help if the actual promotion is depending whether your local restaurant participates?

Either way: The URL format has to include the protocol and trailing slash to be valid. Or use a protocol relative URL which might look weird, but is still valid.

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Great. drone.io retired their service without telling me.

If the presets suddenly stop working for you: That’s the reason.

I’ll look for a replacement, but most likely it will not be before the weekend to have a replacement up. I consider moving to a self-hosted system which I can control and which won’t suddenly be retired.

Meanwhile you can get a working version of the presets here:
http://downloads.osm-tools.org/josm-thai-presets_20161029151820.zip

Be aware that this link does not provide automatic updates. So as long as it is not broken for you, better wait a few more days until I have a stable link back which then will also provide updates.

Stephan

Please use the following URL for the presets in JOSM:

http://code.osm-tools.org/latest/josm-thai-presets.zip

I maintain a forwarding so it will always point to the correct download location. Wherever it will be.

Sorry for the inconvenience. I should have done that from the beginning and not rely on 3rd party websites.

Thanks, Stephan.

I use these frequently but hadn’t really noticed how much I rely on them in my day-to-day mapping until they stopped working.