Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

JaVaWa · 2012-05-14 22:17:00

No problems, only three remarks:
1. The name of the download file: RoadTrip is obsolete (like I said before)
2. The name of the map: "Generic routable" isn't very descriptive...
3. The test can be done on Windows too; if it works there, it will work on the Mac.

Lambertus · 2012-05-15 20:51:54

JaVaWa wrote:

No problems, only three remarks:
1. The name of the download file: RoadTrip is obsolete (like I said before)

Indeed you have and I forgot, sorry about that. "Roadtrip" is now everywhere updated to "BaseCamp/RoadTrip" (as has MapSource) and the filename is changed to _macosx.zip.

2. The name of the map: "Generic routable" isn't very descriptive...

Ok, but then the map is a generic one. "Routable world" as the original map is named isn't really suitable anymore as the Openfietsmap lite is also world routable...

3. The test can be done on Windows too; if it works there, it will work on the Mac.

Please forgive my glaring ignorance, but I can't find anything about how to test a gmapi file on Windows (or Linux).

JaVaWa · 2012-05-15 21:27:22

2. At least you could put "OSM" in the name Since the name of the map is defined in the TDB file, it should be possible to define it at generation time so that it reflects the map selection the user made... It would be a lot easier for users that want to use several maps.

3. BaseCamp and recent versions of MapSource support the new gmap format as well. You have to put the gmap folder inside the gmapi folder (it's not a file, although it appears to be so for Mac users) into the folder C:\Users\{username}\AppData\Roaming\GARMIN\Maps (Vista/W7); then BC and MS are able to use the map. You could also install the gmap(i) with JaVaWa GMTK.

jonathanpatt · 2012-05-15 21:59:54

Lambertus wrote:

I have a request for Mac OSX users: can you please test a gmapi version from the new website and report if you encounter problems or not? Thanks

I'm able to load the .gmapi file into Garmin MapManager, but when I connect my Garmin Montana and open Garmin MapInstall to load it onto the GPS unit, MapInstall crashes. When I uninstall the .gmapi from the new site, MapInstall launches correctly again. When I install a .gmapi from the old site, no crash occurs.

JaVaWa · 2012-05-15 22:10:22

Which version of MapInstall do you use? Did you choose a predefined country, or a custom selection? Maybe there is a conflict with another installed map; you can check that with JaVaWa GMTK: http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html

jonathanpatt · 2012-05-15 22:28:19

I'm using MapInstall 4.0.0, the latest version. I chose a custom selection on both the old and new sites: a single tile, MX-Agua Prieta. JaVaWa GMTK says:

File error:	Faraday:Users:jonathan:Library:Application Support:Garmin:Maps:Generic routable.gmap:OSMTiles:63240000
Errors recoverable:	No

Edit: downloading generic_tiles.zip and converting with JaVaWa MapConverter results in a .gmap file that I can install without causing any crashes or errors.

Last edited by jonathanpatt (2012-05-15 22:38:21)

JaVaWa · 2012-05-15 22:40:09

I checked myself: the MDR folder was created in the wrong place and with a wrong name; now it doesn't match the entry in the file info.xml anymore. This seems not to happen with predifined map sets.
Some work to do for Lambertus...

Edit: I've got a command line Linux version of JaVaWa MapConverter...

Last edited by JaVaWa (2012-05-15 22:46:23)

Lambertus · 2012-05-15 22:55:22

JaVaWa wrote:

2. At least you could put "OSM" in the name Since the name of the map is defined in the TDB file, it should be possible to define it at generation time so that it reflects the map selection the user made... It would be a lot easier for users that want to use several maps.

Yes, I could add OSM in the name somewhere, however "OpenFietsmap Lite" doesn't have OSM in it either...

I can also make the name user configurable, but why not make more things configurable , like the product id or series id? I would like to, eventually, if this is possible with precompiled tiles. But it would be yet another project and to be honest I'm currently not looking forward to implementing it...lot's of points of failures to handle.

3. BaseCamp and recent versions of MapSource support the new gmap format as well. You have to put the gmap folder inside the gmapi folder (it's not a file, although it appears to be so for Mac users) into the folder C:\Users\{username}\AppData\Roaming\GARMIN\Maps (Vista/W7); then BC and MS are able to use the map. You could also install the gmap(i) with JaVaWa GMTK.

I installed BaseCamp a few days ago on a Windows VM and it didn't seem to recognise the gmapi folder as something it would happily read so I didn't really try any of the files in it's subdirectories. I'll try again.

JaVaWa wrote:

Edit: I've got a command line Linux version of JaVaWa MapConverter...

Interesting Terms of use are...?

Edit: Ah, found the 'voorwaarden' button on your website. I don't see any problems for using MapConverter for the maps, correct?

JaVaWa · 2012-05-15 23:18:53

Lambertus wrote:

Yes, I could add OSM in the name somewhere, however "OpenFietsmap Lite" doesn't have OSM in it either...

"OpenFietsmap" is a established name now (at least in The Netherlands...), whereas "Generic routable" is, well, very generic...

Lambertus wrote:

I can also make the name user configurable, but why not make more things configurable , like the product id or series id? I would like to, eventually, if this is possible with precompiled tiles. But it would be yet another project and to be honest I'm currently not looking forward to implementing it...lot's of points of failures to handle.

Changing the name and ID's isn't difficult at all. The source code of mkgmap is a good starting point; only a bit overwhelming maybe...
The only thing you have to change is the TDB file; I can tell you exactly how to do it. Send me an email, it's easier for me to explain it in Dutch.

Lambertus wrote:

Interresting Terms of use are...?

It's free to use, but not Open Source. You can find it here: http://www.javawa.nl/advanced.html

Boswachter · 2012-05-16 17:47:19

Lambertus,

I got a sneak-preview of the OFM-lite by the courtesy of Ligfietser.
It looks good, but there is a strange thing happening in the city-center of Tallinn and Riga, but I'm afraid at more cities.

In Mapsource its is fine.

centrum%20Tallinn%20MS.JPG

But on my Map 62 it's awfull. Is it a forest there?:D

Outside the city-center it is in mapsource OK.

buiten%20centrum%20tallinn.JPG

But on the 62:

I transferred the map from Mapsource to the 62, but the result is the same.

I think I know what the problem is, But I'm to ignorant having a solution.

Looking in Potlatch I see in the center buildings, but without a tag Residential area
Outside the center there are Residential areas.

It looks that in the .IMGfile all areas without a tag become dark green. Outside the city it is not a problem, but in a citycenter it looks a bit stupid.

Peter

Beddhist · 2012-05-19 11:13:41

Tried the new site with a map of Thailand. It correctly shows that I will get 8 tiles, but when I download the package 3 of them are missing.

Also, the server doesn't remember that the mapset has already been compiled and so doesn't offer a ready-made download.

Last edited by Beddhist (2012-05-19 12:42:43)

eMBe · 2012-05-19 12:01:20

Hi,

I'm just started with OSM und Garmin. I want to have the maps of Germany and Mallorca in Basecamp.
So I downloaded both one of a time.

First I did not know about MapManager, so I just copied the unzipped "Roadtrip" folder to recources, which worked fine for Mallorca. With Germany it did not. I found out, the two maps have the same values in info.xml, only the names differ between "OSM World Routable (01-04-2012)" and "OSM World Routable".
I googled and found MapManager and deleted the maps I manually copied to the program dir.
The problem is somewhat the same. Whatever map I install first, it is there. The second one is installed fine - MM says - but never shows up in MM itself. If I delete the map and try the other one first, this one is there, the other one not.

Is there any way to install two downloaded maps independently?

Beddhist · 2012-05-19 12:40:59

Install one, then change the FID with MapSetToolkit or Javawa, then install the next.

JaVaWa · 2012-05-20 02:37:04

I see that you are a Mac user. Although it works, copying maps into the application bundle of BaseCamp is a bad idea. As soon as you install an update of BaseCamp, you will loose your maps this way... MapManager puts the maps in the place where they belong (in {username}/Library/Application Support/Garmin/Maps to be precise).
Chainging the FID is the way to go; not with MapSetToolKit (because it's a Windows program) but with JaVaWa GMTK ("Javawa" isn't very descriptive, since I'm offering some 15 different applications)
http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html

Last edited by JaVaWa (2012-05-21 01:55:23)

Lambertus · 2012-05-21 10:48:19

Boswachter wrote:

I got a sneak-preview of the OFM-lite by the courtesy of Ligfietser.
It looks good, but there is a strange thing happening in the city-center of Tallinn and Riga, but I'm afraid at more cities.
[..]
I think I know what the problem is, But I'm to ignorant having a solution.
Looking in Potlatch I see in the center buildings, but without a tag Residential area
Outside the center there are Residential areas.
It looks that in the .IMGfile all areas without a tag become dark green. Outside the city it is not a problem, but in a citycenter it looks a bit stupid.

I think this has something to do with the choice of default background polygon on the GPS (perhaps TYP also) and the fact that these cities have large areas without landuse polygons in the OSM data. The best way to solve this (not only for the Garmin maps) is to solve this in the OSM data. Perhaps the rendering of the Garmin maps will inspire OSM users to add these landuse areas.

The other (quick) solution is to change the OFM_lite TYP file so that is uses a more neutral background polygon.

Beddhist wrote:

Tried the new site with a map of Thailand. It correctly shows that I will get 8 tiles, but when I download the package 3 of them are missing.
Also, the server doesn't remember that the mapset has already been compiled and so doesn't offer a ready-made download.

Just tried it: selected Thailand from the drop down list, entered my email address, and downloaded the map. The map contains 8 tiles and when I select Thailand again from the drop down list I get the 'download this map now!' link.

So, sorry, but I can't reproduce your problem.

Beddhist · 2012-05-21 12:22:20

Thanks for checking it out. As you can see, the tile set is dated today. This is the link I was sent: http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 2e56cbccfa

Perhaps it was a temporary glitch, just like the notification email I just received for your post (bad request).

Regards,
Peter.

Last edited by Beddhist (2012-05-21 12:22:42)

Lambertus · 2012-05-21 12:40:38

Beddhist wrote:

Thanks for checking it out. As you can see, the tile set is dated today. This is the link I was sent: http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … 2e56cbccfa
Perhaps it was a temporary glitch, just like the notification email I just received for your post (bad request).

This is what I got: http://osm.pleiades.uni-wuppertal.de/ga … c6ee3567e/

The tiles.txt is different between our requests.

You got a '400 bad request' html error before the actual request? Afaik (and I just checked) this is not an error code from any of my scripts, so there probably was a network hickup.
Oh sorry, now I understand. You have email notifications enabled on this forum topic. Well, this I can explain I posted the response to you post in a separate post at first, but then I merged the two posts and deleted the then duplicate post. You then clicked the link in the email and the forum software replied 400-bad request, which is correct because the post does not exist anymore.

Beddhist · 2012-05-21 12:43:09

The tiles.txt is different between our requests.

I know, I was missing 3 tiles.

You got a '400 bad request' html error before the actual request? Afaik (and I just checked) this is not an error code from any of my scripts, so there probably was a network hickup.

No, that was for the forum notification, totally unrelated.

Boswachter · 2012-05-21 19:22:58

Lambertus wrote:

The other (quick) solution is to change the OFM_lite TYP file so that is uses a more neutral background polygon.

Being a novice in the OSM-world I don't understand how to do that. So for the moment I have to live with it.

Peter

eMBe · 2012-05-24 14:08:46

JaVaWa wrote:

I see that you are a Mac user.

Yes, I am.

Although it works, copying maps into the application bundle of BaseCamp is a bad idea. As soon as you install an update of BaseCamp, you will loose your maps this way...

This was only a first try, while I did not know about MapManager. I reversed all the changes I made.

MapManager puts the maps in the place where they belong (in {username}/Library/Application Support/Garmin/Maps to be precise).

Thank you. I found out about this meanwhile myself.

Chainging the FID is the way to go; not with MapSetToolKit (because it's a Windows program) but with JaVaWa GMTK ("Javawa" isn't very descriptive, since I'm offering some 15 different applications)
http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html

Thank you again. I looked up the website of JaVaWa, but was confused about the different tools, and what to use and if there was the right tool available for OS X.
I will give GMTK a try.

sabri66 · 2012-05-28 22:00:48

Hi evry one, the new generic windows seems to have a problem:/, why? I explain: from first april til now (the map is dated from 23/05) I ve added a lot of things to my area (blida, Algeria) but still have the same map as first april in mapsource, so the last download I ve just loooked to the map in mapsource and have nt transfer it to my garmin.
The question is: is there a load on the new server so africa hvent been updated?
Lambertus dont forget africa please!(joke)

OSMNZ · 2012-05-29 06:45:15

Hi

Like sabri66, I have made many contributions to OSM in Africa in since 01 April 2012.

These are not present in the generic_windows.exe I have downloaded and installed today.

I can see the additions in OSM.

Cheers

Dogran999 · 2012-05-29 09:11:15

Hi

Does anyone know when OSM will start letting sites download data again? I only see large data dumps up to 1st April on the net. Frustraiting as all the Updates I have uploaded are no longer accessable on my Garmin which kind of defeats the point of uploading them in the first place.

Lambertus · 2012-05-29 10:18:34

sabri66 and OSMNZ, thanks for your reports. I hadn't noticed it but, like the full planet dump, the daily changesets haven't been updating since April 1st also. There is only a full planet dump available from May 10th, I could download that and run an update...

Unfortunately I have no idea if there are more up to date sources.

Dogran999, this is sure to be a temporary situation. Your work will be useful at some point, only not right now.

ligfietser · 2012-05-29 12:15:34

Lambertus wrote:

I think this has something to do with the choice of default background polygon on the GPS (perhaps TYP also) and the fact that these cities have large areas without landuse polygons in the OSM data. The best way to solve this (not only for the Garmin maps) is to solve this in the OSM data. Perhaps the rendering of the Garmin maps will inspire OSM users to add these landuse areas.
The other (quick) solution is to change the OFM_lite TYP file so that is uses a more neutral background polygon.

I agree with Lambertus it could be the settings in your GPS. The default background of the OFM lite is empty so it shows the default background of the GPS.
Maybe Peter de Boswachters GPS has a topographic contour line / DEM basemap/ shaded relief background map selected so it displays the low areas with a green background and higher elevations brown?
If that is the case, try to turn Shaded Relief/DEM map on "don't show" or automatic instead of "show if available" or put the DEM basemap off.

Last edited by ligfietser (2012-05-29 12:16:28)

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