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#26 2009-03-16 13:30:02

Lambertus
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

mtrax wrote:

I just have another comment to make it completely obvious,
can you change the "Combine Maps" button to "Build Maps"

and/or add the following on the side bar

1. select map/s (tick box to select multiple)
2. enter email address
3. hit button to build maps

Is it better now?

Edit: I also fixed a bug where: when people requesting almost every tile the build process resulted in no tiles at all.


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#27 2009-03-16 16:34:58

Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Would it be possible to add to the webpage the date of the source OSM  data you've built the tiles from so a user can tell if they need to request a new map build.

Thanks!

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#28 2009-03-16 17:09:24

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

IrlJidel wrote:

Would it be possible to add to the webpage the date of the source OSM  data you've built the tiles from so a user can tell if they need to request a new map build.

Yes, I'm working on that.


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#29 2009-03-16 22:30:41

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

yeap I think its pretty obvious now, thanks,
you might also put what sort of map files it builds eg mapsource, etc...

BTW this is a great resource.

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#30 2009-03-17 09:36:55

Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

I've been away for some days so I didn't have the time to report on the success. As already pointed out by IrlJidel, the MapSource installer now works fine on the new MapSource versions. Currently, I can't say if the confirmation e-mails still get stuck in my spam filter as I accidentally gave a different address without such a filter. The link given in that mail wasn't formatted correctly as it included the closing '>' of the tag.

In addition, I have some advice regarding the tiles that do not compile correctly:
* The one in the Netherlands is due to a very dense road network. By experimentation with the splitter and mkgmap I found that the number of ways in a tile is a stricter limit than the number of nodes.
* In Denmark, there exists an awful amount of tags so that mkgmap runs out of heap space quite quickly while reading the osm file.

In both cases, you'll have to run the tile splitter with a smaller number of nodes as none of the parameters mentioned above can be influenced directly.

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#31 2009-03-17 10:09:52

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

mtrax wrote:

You might also put what sort of map files it builds eg mapsource, etc...

I was thinking to put the text in email (that I added to fool the scam filters) on the web page too.

BTW this is a great resource.

Cool!

weolvi wrote:

Currently, I can't say if the confirmation e-mails still get stuck in my spam filter as I accidentally gave a different address without such a filter. The link given in that mail wasn't formatted correctly as it included the closing '>' of the tag.

It doesn't get recognized as scam by Thunderbird anymore. Maybe I can remove both < and > in the url.

In addition, I have some advice regarding the tiles that do not compile correctly:
* The one in the Netherlands is due to a very dense road network. By experimentation with the splitter and mkgmap I found that the number of ways in a tile is a stricter limit than the number of nodes.
* In Denmark, there exists an awful amount of tags so that mkgmap runs out of heap space quite quickly while reading the osm file.

In both cases, you'll have to run the tile splitter with a smaller number of nodes as none of the parameters mentioned above can be influenced directly.

Thanks for looking into this, but I am already aware of the source of the problem. It's just that it's not a good idea to split tiles individually so I'm now writing a tool to edit the splitter commandfile so that problems like this can be solved during the next update run.

America is now also available on the server.


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#32 2009-03-17 10:44:09

Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Hi Lambertus,
Good job! I've tested the maps in mapsource and it works great. The cycling option in mapsource takes now the cycling lanes (where available), cool!
The only thing I couldnt get to work is to add a typ-file attached to the maps. With mapset toolkit I tried to use a TYP file but somehow it crashes Mapsource. I had to convert the maps to a Family ID maybe that isnt possible somehow?

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#33 2009-03-17 11:13:03

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

ligfietser wrote:

Good job! I've tested the maps in mapsource and it works great. The cycling option in mapsource takes now the cycling lanes (where available), cool!

That's good to hear.

The only thing I couldnt get to work is to add a typ-file attached to the maps. With mapset toolkit I tried to use a TYP file but somehow it crashes Mapsource. I had to convert the maps to a Family ID maybe that isnt possible somehow?

I've been thinking about letting users provide their own TYP file and have those incorporated on the server while the maps is built, but for now I think that is too much work.

I don't know what the exact meaning is of family id and product id. Currently I set only the latter, maybe the family id needs te be configured too. Any info on this?


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#34 2009-03-17 13:12:27

Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

All I know is the TYP file is only possible with a Family ID. I also put your map in a nuvi and here the routing seems working fine too. Im very happy to have a Garmin routable cyclemap! Hope you can add the tile of the centre of NL soon (not available right now).

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#35 2009-03-17 13:16:14

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

ligfietser wrote:

All I know is the TYP file is only possible with a Family ID.

Ok.

I also put your map in a nuvi and here the routing seems working fine too.

Good to know.

Hope you can add the tile of the centre of NL soon (not available right now).

Yes, there were some other things to do first. But the missing tiles are nearing the top of my list.


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#36 2009-03-17 23:19:51

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

something wierd is happening when I combine all of the Australian Tiles and try to view the australia East Coast (near Sydney)
It looks as though the map is cut off or no coast is defined.
Initially i thought it was because I didn't select that tile but after the second time its still there.

hmm on second view its the whole  coast of Australia

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#37 2009-03-18 10:54:41

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

It is possible that the splitting process has problems with polygons that crosses multiple tiles. I read someone reporting that on the Mkgmap list this morning.


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#38 2009-03-18 17:42:14

Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

From http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/page/tile-splitter
- There is a maximum of 255 output files. This should anyway be enough with the current amount of data.
- A line or relation can only spread over a max of 4 areas. This will probably be fixed, but is quite rare anyway as the tiles are large and tend not to meet at a single point.
- It is not possible to work on a complete planet file on a 32 bit OS, but working with an extract of the whole of Europe is fine within a 2G heap size. A single country is not a problem at all, even a well mapped one.

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#39 2009-03-19 10:38:39

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Lambertus wrote:

It is possible that the splitting process has problems with polygons that crosses multiple tiles. I read someone reporting that on the Mkgmap list this morning.

is there something you or I can do or does this need to be fixed in Mkgmap? eg can we split Aust in two or reposition tiles ?

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#40 2009-03-19 11:13:03

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

mtrax wrote:
Lambertus wrote:

It is possible that the splitting process has problems with polygons that crosses multiple tiles. I read someone reporting that on the Mkgmap list this morning.

is there something you or I can do or does this need to be fixed in Mkgmap? eg can we split Aust in two or reposition tiles ?

I'm reluctant to make an exception for Australia because of the way yournavigation routing database and the garmin file generation work. I'm gearing towards full automatic generation of both... Australia would be relatively easy to make an exception for but I assume this problem doesn't occur only in Australia. This should be fixed in the tools (Splitter in this case) rather than try working around it.


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#41 2009-03-19 12:34:05

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Lambertus wrote:
mtrax wrote:
Lambertus wrote:

It is possible that the splitting process has problems with polygons that crosses multiple tiles. I read someone reporting that on the Mkgmap list this morning.

is there something you or I can do or does this need to be fixed in Mkgmap? eg can we split Aust in two or reposition tiles ?

I'm reluctant to make an exception for Australia because of the way yournavigation routing database and the garmin file generation work. I'm gearing towards full automatic generation of both... Australia would be relatively easy to make an exception for but I assume this problem doesn't occur only in Australia. This should be fixed in the tools (Splitter in this case) rather than try working around it.

ok any idea when I should try again, or what/where to watch for updates?

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#42 2009-03-19 14:13:39

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

No idea, I always hope that services like this and yournavigation.org generate a surge in software development. At least the latter one did that exactly. Splitter is maintained here: http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/svn/wsvn/splitter/


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#43 2009-03-20 09:00:28

Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Lambertus I think your work is awsome, you must be incredibly clever!

I'd like to see software that can grab data from an MP file and upload it to OSM. The map I've made using Mapedit is superior to the OSM one because it's so much more user friendly.

Question, where do you see the future of mapping going and where will your own projects lead?
tongue

Regards

Treadly

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#44 2009-03-20 10:48:42

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Treadly wrote:

Lambertus I think your work is awsome, you must be incredibly clever!

Lol thanks. But no, the people who develop Mkgmap are the clever ones here smile

I'd like to see software that can grab data from an MP file and upload it to OSM. The map I've made using Mapedit is superior to the OSM one because it's so much more user friendly.

An MP to OSM converter? Just out of curiosity: What makes Mapedit so much better then JOSM then Merkaator?

Question, where do you see the future of mapping going and where will your own projects lead? tongue

Pff, difficult question this early. Well, I hope to see much more use of OSM data (why would we map anyway otherwise?). Mostly my projects appear at the time OSM is ready for it. E.g. the forum was introduced when OSM became also interesting to people other then geeks. Yournavigation.org was developed when The Netherlands, UK and Germany had fairly complete roadnetworks. The routable Garmin maps were a longtime wish but I refuse to do a lot of manual work each week so I waited until the tools had evolved enough to do the generation automatically. If other interesting areas to work on popup then I'll do it (if my GF allowes it tongue).


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#45 2009-03-21 01:16:25

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

btw I assume the Mkmap people know about this coast line problem/bug, or do we need to report it officially?

oh and another request, is it possible to "name" the map so if I download two sets of maps
eg Korea and australia , they would appear separately on Mapsource
So when you build a Map you give it a name  , I assume this can alter the registry entries you create right?
This could also be used in the filename too (I suggest keep the name small eg 10-20 chars

slight problem if I install two maps it looks like second map over rights the first Mapsource ?

so is this by design ie should I get ALL my maps in one shot or can I download two Mapsource install areas?

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#46 2009-03-21 04:30:25

Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Lambertus wrote:
Treadly wrote:

Lambertus I think your work is awsome, you must be incredibly clever!

Lol thanks. But no, the people who develop Mkgmap are the clever ones here smile

I'd like to see software that can grab data from an MP file and upload it to OSM. The map I've made using Mapedit is superior to the OSM one because it's so much more user friendly.

An MP to OSM converter? Just out of curiosity: What makes Mapedit so much better then JOSM then Merkaator?

Question, where do you see the future of mapping going and where will your own projects lead? tongue

Pff, difficult question this early. Well, I hope to see much more use of OSM data (why would we map anyway otherwise?). Mostly my projects appear at the time OSM is ready for it. E.g. the forum was introduced when OSM became also interesting to people other then geeks. Yournavigation.org was developed when The Netherlands, UK and Germany had fairly complete roadnetworks. The routable Garmin maps were a longtime wish but I refuse to do a lot of manual work each week so I waited until the tools had evolved enough to do the generation automatically. If other interesting areas to work on popup then I'll do it (if my GF allowes it tongue).

I didn't know Merkaator existed and having had a bit of a play with it I'm impressed! So far I've been using Potlatch and JOSM, but Merkaator looks much nicer and is more flexible.

Question 1: I don't understand what extract does, how do I convert GPX raw data into a track directly without having to trace it manually? (In Mekanator)

Question 2: When I zoom out on the raw GPX data the track quickly disappears, it's a bit like looking at a road through a keyhole, can the raw GPX tracks be made visible at wider zoom levels? (In Mekanator)

Question 3: Could some sub groups be added to the forum index for OSM software? For example, Potlatch, JOSM, Merkaator, Mkgmap and a few others. At the moment all the questions are grouped together and it's difficult to look through the answers to find what you're looking for. I know there's a search engine but it doesn't always find what you want.

Thanks

Treadly

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#47 2009-03-21 10:36:04

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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

mtrax wrote:

btw I assume the Mkmap people know about this coast line problem/bug, or do we need to report it officially?

They know it. Someone else and I have reported it on the Mkgmap dev mailinglist.

oh and another request, is it possible to "name" the map so if I download two sets of maps
eg Korea and australia , they would appear separately on Mapsource
So when you build a Map you give it a name  , I assume this can alter the registry entries you create right?
This could also be used in the filename too (I suggest keep the name small eg 10-20 chars

It's not the mapname that makes it unique within MapSource, but the family and product id's. So if you want a new map to be registered under mapsource then you will have to give it a different id when building the TDB file. I could make this optionally configurable on the website.

slight problem if I install two maps it looks like second map over rights the first Mapsource ?

so is this by design ie should I get ALL my maps in one shot or can I download two Mapsource install areas?

All map tiles have an unique number so installing two combined maps from my website does not overwrite any maptiles. But MapSource uses the TDB file and overview image (63240000.img), which are unique for each download from the website, to show the map at a great distance and maybe also to know which tiles exist. This behavior causes MapSource to not show the previously installed tiles if you add a new set of tiles for a different area. So with the service at it's current state you should download all the tiles you want in one go or use Mkgmap or MapSetToolkit etc to combine the tiles manually on you own pc.

Treadly wrote:

I didn't know Merkaator existed and having had a bit of a play with it I'm impressed! So far I've been using Potlatch and JOSM, but Merkaator looks much nicer and is more flexible.

Question 1: I don't understand what extract does, how do I convert GPX raw data into a track directly without having to trace it manually? (In Mekanator)

Question 2: When I zoom out on the raw GPX data the track quickly disappears, it's a bit like looking at a road through a keyhole, can the raw GPX tracks be made visible at wider zoom levels? (In Mekanator)

Sorry that my questions encouraged you to ask these questions, but it's best to start a topic in Q&A about this. I don't want to go offtopic here.

Question 3: Could some sub groups be added to the forum index for OSM software? For example, Potlatch, JOSM, Merkaator, Mkgmap and a few others. At the moment all the questions are grouped together and it's difficult to look through the answers to find what you're looking for. I know there's a search engine but it doesn't always find what you want.

Same applies here, this is a topic for the Feedback forum.

Update: The server harddisk was almost full last night so some large requests have failed partially (e.g. missing the mapsource installer). Sorry.


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#48 2009-03-21 12:44:22

Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

Lambertus
Thanks for a fantastic job.
I notice that the output includes a list of the tiles requested, would it be possible to be able to use that for an update in the future so that we don't have to select the tiles again?

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#49 2009-03-21 14:06:34

Lambertus
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Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

It is possible that the tiles get shifted or renumbered with each weekly split, so you might be able to use that list successfully again but those new tiles can also contain completely different data. This behavior is a result of the automatic tile size determination function of the Splitter tool I'm using for this job.

Selecting only a few tiles does not seem such a big deal to me, and I hope to pre-generate some continental scale maps for even easier downloading in the future (e.g. Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, North/South America).


Mapping tools: Garmin GPSmap 60CSx, Giant Terrago 2002

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#50 2009-03-21 16:06:28

Re: Worldwide routable Garmin maps: http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl

I downloaded Europe and everything is working well (except for the missing tiles). A few suggestions:

- Why do some residential area's show up on the map and others don't? For example Guttecoven N51.013 E5.819 is visible, but Sittard N50.998 E5.866 isn't...
- I would suggest colouring forests green, instead of brown striped.
- Buildings, which are white now, aren't very well visible on the background.

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