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There is a difference in mapnik between a private and public parking.
The private parking is using a lighter blue for the P.

So a good renderer or a good app should be able to know when a parking is available for public and only then show it.
As yrtimiD stating, don't care about the renderer. As long you define it correctly its fine.

See here in Netanya :
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.32 … 8&layers=M

@eric22:

So you mean that we are not allowed by license to fix or change the data they provided ?
Is that really fitting the OSM standards?

yrtimiD explained it perfectly:

I would recommend the following option:

Beside that its better than nothing to do that but it is not a final status, just a temporary one:

A final OSM map should show the housenumbers of each and every building.
So starting with the first and last housenumber is a great step forward but needs guessing to define nodes for every building.
Even if you make a mistake with the housenumber nodes, nobody will throw stones on you.
I personally find it very easy with the right tools (OSMAND on Android) to fix those issues in a survey and make sure the entrance and housenumber is defined 100% correctly.

But it is a very big job.

It took me I think a year to add housenumbers by survey for Netanya.

A personal tip. Before you start tagging housenumbers add all buildings via Bing Satimages.
It is a lot easier to add housenumbers if a building is visible on a map.

Folks,

I think we should keep things separated:

1. Communication

Deleting anything without informing the other person or letting him first know about a "mistake" is done should never happen.
In this case we should ask Wikipod to improve communication ;-)

2. Military areas
As all of us know of the security problems we have, I would ask to keep the rule up: "No military elements in OSM Israel"
Beside, that its may not allowed by Israeli law, we should try not to tag things that could harm ourself like bunkers, bases etc.

No matter if the data is available at govmap,  gmaps, waze etc. we can have our own rules.

We decided together back in those days that we don't want to map military elements and that those things should be deleted.
If we now decide differently Wikipod will probably not delete anymore. So don't blame him only.

OSM is a community project.

Hello persona1,

its great that you found the way to discussion board and congratulations for your first posting.

I understand your 2 cents and as I have added a lot of farmland in the last days you probably mean myself by this posting

But there is one rule in Openstreetmap.
Never map for a renderer.

Meaning that I'm adding on the ground features that are really existing.
So I'm not adding them to be displayed in green, brown or anything else.

If you are using mapnik (the most common renderer that is also used on openstreetmap.org) as renderer your tracks could look clustered.
There are a lot better map renderer that could overcome this problem with a more contrast map with a easier to read map.
Mapnik is not very userfriendly. But this is the good thing about OSM. The data is free and everybody can decide by himself what elements are more important for him.

Can you tell us what kind of device with what kind of application you are using ? Maybe we can suggest you a better app?

Here is a example using Mapquest renderer showing the tracks in brown on a existing farmland and it is very good readable, because the renderer is not showing the farmland that dark:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.13 … 7&layers=Q

Regards

Hello Noam,

its great to hear from somebody of the MAPI team at OSM.

As you stating there is a duplication of work here and there and it will be more and more in the future.
It is maybe not in the main interest at the moment for the Israeli government to donate data but it should be in their interest.

Openstreetmap maps are used worldwide and increasing very fast with the usage of hundreds of apps.
In compare to the data of MAPI the main usage of Openstreetmap data is for private people.
People like you and me that would like to see where they are while walking, biking, 4x4, looking for tourist attractions , GPS navigation etc.

OSM Data is free and this gives new possibilities.
It is proven in other countries like GB or DE that after a while the quality of OSM data will be more accurate than any other source.
In my opinion we reached that level at several Israeli areas already! Beside the multilanguage feature that makes OSM maps appear in different languages with a simple click.

So while some parts of the government complaining about the changes in Google Maps (palestine areas has been renamed to state of palestine) they are not even looking at Openstreetmap and realizing that Jerusalem is not even displayed because of a dispute.

Of course we need a lot in OSM and I think everybody in the OSM community has his prio.
My priority list of things would be looking like this:

1. Borders
Borders from Israel to Jordan, Libanon are build on Sat images but I expect a clear border definition that we could use.
Look for example on this strange roads and river : http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=32.06 … 5&layers=M

2. city, villages
A list of all cities, villages with geo data with the correct names could help find missing things in OSM.

3. Amount of roads incl. names
It would be beneficial to get the amount of streets for each city and village (updated monthly or yearly). This way we could compare and know what our goal is and search for missing things.
Of course it would be great to get the full list of streets per village and city. We would find our selfs where the streets need to be placed.

BTW: You are welcome to use the Openstreetmap layer in your application so the visitors could choose between your layers and the OSM layer.

So how do you think, you could benefit from OSM ?

I have done another run of street optimization over the weekend.
Every run, less and less issues...

But still not optimized on the open topics discussed before.

Beside that here some new issues I collected today:

רב רבי : Rav / Rabi / Rabbi ?

שביל : Shvil / Path / Trail ?

שמעון : Shimon / Simon ?

משעול : Alley?

@zstadler:
What do you think of starting a wiki page for this topic and collect information how to define the translation of streets in Israel?
I can't do that as a foreigner with basic Hebrew skills and we really need it.

This is our current information rule for the naming of streets in Israel ( there is a lot of space for more details:

############################################################################
Naming

    The "name" tag should be used as the primary name, in the language most common in the area. The "name" tag should contain the name in only one language. Use other "name:*" for other languages.
    Use tag "name:he=..." for adding street names in Hebrew.
    Use "name:en" for the English name (prefer the exact spelling as it is on the street sign!)
    Use "name:ar" for the Arabic name
    Use "name:ru" for the Russian name
    Use "name:am" for the Amharic name
    Add the full name written on the sign, don't include "rehov" or "street"
    Do not use shortcuts, let the renderers do this.
############################################################################

Good question.

But the question should be, should we translate the sounding or the correct name.
Same goes for Sderot, Kikar, Beit Sefer, Kwish  etc.

I have gone through the rest of thousands of streets and finished the review of more than 33.000 streets.
So there should be a very very minimum amount of non translated streets left now.

Finally this is done.

Maybe we can take a look on the result and have some translation guidelines?